Konerko?

[remember04]

Do you guys think Theo is going to land Konerko? I think he would be perfect, and he must have impressed Theo the way he killed us this week.

[element1151]

No. Nor should he. We need pitching, a bat would be nice, but we need pitching.

[He Hate Me]

I think you need hitting too.

[riverside sluggers]

i dont see at all white sox let konerko slip away. Sox's #1 fuist baseman they will be going for this offseason will be the Devil Rays' Aubrey Huff. And that is totally cool with me.

[riverside sluggers]

I think you need hitting too.

 

#1 in just about every category in offense, we got the hitting. this year proved it can carry us to the playoffs. its all about pitching this offseason

[He Hate Me]

Can you really look at your lineup with Manny traded and say that you feel comfortable about it?

[riverside sluggers]

Can you really look at your lineup with Manny traded and say that you feel comfortable about it?

 

um yea dude i was talking about being fine with aubrey huff as the new 1st baseman.

 

Konerko will not go to the Red Sox, White Sox is his main choice to stay with and if he leads them to a world series, they'll sign him to a lucrative contract that very night. He's even laughed off thoughts of joining the Red Sox as he grew up in connecticut a die-hard Yankees fan

[remember04]

Didn't know he was a Yanks fan!

 

I don't want him!

[He Hate Me]

Huff is a significant downgrade form manny though. Damon, Rent, Ortiz, Huff doesn't really scare me

[remember04]

We'll get a good LF to replace Manny too...

 

Adam Dunn?

[He Hate Me]

I don't know if you can get both Adam Dunn and Aubrey Huff since I htink both are under contract.

[User Name]

Dunn strikesout too much for my tastes.

[He Hate Me]

I believe he averages almost 200 Ks a year, someone correct me on this if I'm wrong.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I don't like Konerko. I think he is overrated. Maybe its because he's not really cluth and alot of his home runs are solo?

[jimmycarter05]

i think konkero will cost too much and we'd get a much better production with trading manny for pitching and signing huff and soriano as our 4 and 5 hitters...think bout it

 

ortiz

soriano

huff

now thats a middle lineup to be reckon with

 

 

http://www.funpic.hu/swf/numanuma.html :thumbsup:

[ksushi]

I don't think you can average 200 K's a year, seeing as i think thats the all time record for strike outs by a batter in a single season, and i do think that record is held by dunn, but alittle protection always helps a guys k rate out and he doesnt get a ton of that in cinci. his protection doesnt suck, but its not great.

[He Hate Me]

well in 2271 ABs, he has 733 Ks. Thats a K every 3.1 AB. Assuming he has 600 ABs a year, that would put him at 193 ks per season.

[bighurt]

Konerko said in the Chicago papers that he would either stay in Chicago or go west. I'd love to keep him in Chicago, because he and Buerhle are the heart of the team, from a leadership standpoint. That said, the White Sox always go cheap. Boston doesn't need more hitting. They need pitching and "different" hitting ..... get somebody on in front of the 3-4-5-6 hitters .... bunt, slap, whatever. That's what the White Sox did a lot of this year. We don't have a .300 hitter on the team. Pitching, defense, "get-em-on/get-em-over/get-em-in" is going to be the way to win in the steroid-less era. Don't wait for the long ball because it ain't coming !

[jimmycarter05]

Huff is a significant downgrade form manny though. Damon, Rent, Ortiz, Huff doesn't really scare me

 

 

yeah but ortiz, soriano, huff is pretty potent

[ORS]

Konerko said in the Chicago papers that he would either stay in Chicago or go west. I'd love to keep him in Chicago, because he and Buerhle are the heart of the team, from a leadership standpoint. That said, the White Sox always go cheap. Boston doesn't need more hitting. They need pitching and "different" hitting ..... get somebody on in front of the 3-4-5-6 hitters .... bunt, slap, whatever. That's what the White Sox did a lot of this year. We don't have a .300 hitter on the team. Pitching, defense, "get-em-on/get-em-over/get-em-in" is going to be the way to win in the steroid-less era. Don't wait for the long ball because it ain't coming !

That is flat out wrong. The White Sox play semi-small ball, and it works for them. It works because their roster is set up to play that type of ball. The Red Sox roster isn't. It is set up to play moneyball, and the farm system is chock full of players that will support that philosophy. Also, given that the White Sox one more HR than we did, I'll bet you that your team scores 50-100 more runs on the season if they are a little more cautious on the basepaths and a little less interested in using an out to get a runner over.

 

It amuses me how many White Sox fans think that Ozzie's approach to the game is the only way to go. Well before the steroid-era, Earl Weaver used a moneyball type approach to some good success. He valued outs as a commodity and didn't want to use them just to try and get a runner into scoring position. Two of my favorite (and IMO very poignant) baseball quotes are his:

 

"If you play to score one run, that is often all you will get."

 

"The key to baseball is: pitching, defense, and 3-run homers."

 

The move to get Konerko is a necessary one IMO if, and only if, they trade Manny. Ortiz will need a big bopper to protect him in the lineup (preferably a RH one), and Konerko is the best RH power hitter on the market this FA season.

[example1]

yeah but ortiz, soriano, huff is pretty potent

 

If the sox had Soriano they're not going to suddenly hit him #4. At best they would hit him 6th or something. Soriano strikes out a lot, doesn't get on base much, and isn't a very good fielder. Also, we have depth at Shortstop and second so I just don't see that happening. Last year he had a .309 OBP which is HORRIBLE. In 630 AB's he only drew 33 walks. That's horrible plate control. I'm also not impressed with Huff's .321 OBP. This would be an obvious step back if you ask me, going from a hitter like Manny who approaches .400 OBP, draws tons of walks AND has the power to guys who aren't much better than the Sox of the late 90's.

 

I like the idea of ADDING Huff to the current lineup, but he (in some combination with Soriano) is not an upgrade for the 12 M they would have to pay.

 

If we could have something like

 

Damon

Renteria

Ortiz

Manny

Huff

Nixon

Varitek

Youkilis

Graffanino/Pedroia

 

Personally, I think that we should retain our veteran leadership (Manny, Ortiz, Nixon, Tek, etc.,) and bring up all of our young guys (Hanley, Pedroia, eventually Sanchez and Lester) while they have that veteran leadership. We need that combination to a) integrate these guys while there's still a wealth of knowledge and leadership and to put some excitement back into the team. I think it would be safe to bring them up and it would help to gel the team somewhat.

 

Acquire a #1 caliber starter if at all possible.

[Ray10]

I say we go after Konerko his bat would be a great addition espacially if there going to trade Manny in the offseason.

[riverside sluggers]

I like the idea of ADDING Huff to the current lineup, but he (in some combination with Soriano) is not an upgrade for the 12 M they would have to pay.

 

His 20/25 HRs and 90-110 RBIs average a season would be quite an upgrade over Kevin Millar. Huff, who was almost acquired in July by the Red Sox was quoted as that he loves how Boston is and wouldnt mind at all playing here and having Fenway Park as his homestand. Konerko rather has repeatedly laughed off questions of joining the Red Sox (1) he wants to stay with the white sox, and I see them signing him to a long lucrative contract right after whenever their season ends. and (2) he grew up in connecticut, a die hard yankees fan along with his family. "Yeah well Boston, dont get me wrong, its a nice place just to visit."

[riverside sluggers]

I heard on WEEI that Huff is on the list of players Sox hope to take on board. He is under contract by the D-Rays for 2006 at $7.5 million. Which would acquire the Sox to trade such prospects as Kelly Shoppach, Abe Alvarez, Brandon Moss, or even Anibel Sanchez.

[jimmycarter05]

If the sox had Soriano they're not going to suddenly hit him #4. At best they would hit him 6th or something. Soriano strikes out a lot, doesn't get on base much, and isn't a very good fielder. Last year he had a .309 OBP which is HORRIBLE. In 630 AB's he only drew 33 walks.

 

yes but he hit 43 doubles, had 36 homers and is very much capable of 40, he even could be a 40/40 guy, slugged a very good .512, scored 102 runs, knocked in 104, stole 30 bases and was only caught stealing twice...tell me thats not hitting material

 

oh yeah and fielding wise he had 21 errors in 1,351 innings...thats only 1 error per 64.3 innings, not too shabby if you ask me..he also turned 101 DPs too

 

ALFONSO SORIANO FOR BOSTON'S NEXT 2b!!!!

:thumbsup:

[ClayBuchholzIsDaFuture]

No way we block Pedroia by signing Soriano.

[example1]

yes but he hit 43 doubles, had 36 homers and is very much capable of 40, he even could be a 40/40 guy, slugged a very good .512, scored 102 runs, knocked in 104, stole 30 bases and was only caught stealing twice...tell me thats not hitting material

 

oh yeah and fielding wise he had 21 errors in 1,351 innings...thats only 1 error per 64.3 innings, not too shabby if you ask me..he also turned 101 DPs too

 

ALFONSO SORIANO FOR BOSTON'S NEXT 2b!!!!

:thumbsup:

 

Soriano at home: AB: 311. .315, .355, .656, 1.011. 25 HR, 73 RBI

 

Soriano on the road: AB: 326. .224, .265, .374, .639. 11 HR, 31 Rbi

 

I think if we got rid of Damon and Alfonso wanted to play the outfield then MAYBE he could hit leadoff (his numbers leading off innings and in none-on situations were pretty good).

 

Mostly, I think this is a guy who is capable of hitting the ball hard but who doesn't have ANY plate control and can strike out against an experienced pitcher with even decent stuff... if they know what to throw him. His "clutch" numbers aren't very good at all either.

 

Between Edgar, Pedroia, Graffanino and Hanley I think we have a lot of support up the middle.

[Manny Goes Boom]

Why is this even a debate after Konerko's quotes. Go for Huff.

[jimmycarter05]

if we keep manny, which i hope we do, i'd much rather see theo go after soriano as our 2nd basemen instead of huff as our first baseman ...soriano has better stats in homers, RBIs, and SBs...plus i think ortiz manny soriano is much better than a ex-devil ray behind manny...soriano has played in new york and has shown he can take the pressure...huff on the other hand is coming from one of the worst teams in baseball and the expections will be high...i go with soriano

[riverside sluggers]

if we keep manny, which i hope we do, i'd much rather see theo go after soriano as our 2nd basemen instead of huff as our first baseman ...soriano has better stats in homers, RBIs, and SBs...plus i think ortiz manny soriano is much better than a ex-devil ray behind manny...soriano has played in new york and has shown he can take the pressure...huff on the other hand is coming from one of the worst teams in baseball and the expections will be high...i go with soriano

 

ummm so who do you suggest Red Sox go for their 1st baseman then... Millar is obviously out of the picture, Konerko is a non issue, and John Olerud is only good as a backup. Not actually a surplus as well of good 1st baseman FA's this offseason as well.