The Official Terry Francona bashing thread

[Irish Jay]

With a win today the Red Sox pretty much could have ended the AL east race against the Yankees. A sox win would have put them a seemingly insurmountable 5 games ahead of the Yankees. However on one of the biggest games of the season against your most hated rival Francona decides to play little league manager.

 

- How many times must we see a red hot Olerud sit on the bench for a sub-par Kevin Millar!? Millar 1-4 with 3 K's and two misplayed balls in right field.

 

- Nixon who has been one of the most fiercest players on the Sox sits against Randy Johnson. Now the reason being because Nixon can't hit lefties. I hate to break it to Tito, but Gabe Kapler isn't an imporvement over Nixon despite the big goofball Randy Johnson on the hill.

 

Wakefield was brilliant today and it's a joke that he gets the loss. Wake has been the Red Sox pitcher of the year and was amazing today striking out 12 and he really should have only given up one hit if it were not for Millar's clueless play in right.

 

- Sit Ortiz against Toronto tommorrow night. Do not sit him against the Yankees who are breathing down your backs. Again a terribe terrible move by Francoma.

 

All around this was one annoying loss to take. Francona needs to start starting guys like Olerud and Nixon EVERY game of the year!!

[schillingouttheks]

And if the same thing as today happened, you'd be saying "Why didn't he play more righties against RJ?!?!" Besides, this loss isn't that bad. I'm not mad, if we won, great! The division is a little more out of catch. But the Yanks have Tampa Bay this week, and even though Toronto is no push over to us, I feel they will fall right back down to 4 GB then farther. And also, Millar was in for Nixon, and Youk for Olerud.

[ORS]

It must have rained today because the slugs are out thick as thieves.

 

Also, there are several threads questioning Francona's managing style, so why not just add your rant to one of those? We don't need useless new threads.

[redsoxrules]

the only thing i didnt like is seing ortiz out of the lineup.but francona has won us a WS so you cant really question him at this time

[BoSox21]

first off, both Olerud and Millar have been hot lately and guess what, yea Millar went 1-4 but he's one of 3 f***ing red sox that actually got a hit today and who's to say Olerud would have even done any better? in the one glimpse we got of him today, he struck out to end the game. and please try to understand that Olerud cannot play every day, the guy is old and coming off off-season surgery

 

as far as Ortiz goes, he had a sore back today, he didn't have a sore back tomorrow against the Blue Jays. if Ortiz takes a big whiff and tears something in his back, how would you have reacted to Tito then? Youd be saying Ortiz shouldve had the day off

 

you're free to second-guess Tito all you want but fact of the matter is, RJ dominated them and by the time Mo came out, it was too little too late

[MC Hammer]

I thought random bashing week was over?

[sarasoxfan]

man, we lost today because that big ugly f*** pitched great a game.

 

we're still three up, big deal..

 

olerud gets a hit and francona is einstein, he doesnt francona is frankenstein.

 

lighten up. let me handle the negativity ---this isnt the right time.

[joe]

the only thing i didnt like is seing ortiz out of the lineup.but francona has won us a WS so you cant really question him at this time

 

No, wrong! Francona did not win us World Series. Just before the playoffs, Francona had a meeting with all the coaches and told them I am not going to manage this team (of course because he can't), and that "we together" are going to manage it. Throughout the playoffs Francona was consulting with them, especially with Brad Mills who was the real brain, on almost every decision. Francona did not even make decisions on who was going to be the starter. He himself said that to the media on several occasions, and Theo knew it, and that is why he is not being paid well, and is not being taken seriously by the organization, and was lucky to get a contract extension.

 

Francona does not have the skills to be an effective manager. He knows that, and baseball strategists know that. He had never been to school to learn baseball coaching, the only qualification he had is that he was a hitter in the majors, and that does not mean he will be a good manager!

Rem Dawg who also was a hitter, said in his book about himself becoming a manager that he does not think he can handle the pressure and be an effective manager!

Believe me, Rem Dawg is a lot smarter than dumb Francona.

 

One more thing: Francona knows when to hide behind Brad Mills and avoid detection, but sooner or later he will make that big mistake and will lose his job, and we won’t have to worry about him.

[riverside sluggers]

Irish Jay meet Joe, Joe meet Irish Jay. Im sure the both of you will be very happy together

[schillingouttheks]

^^Riverside speaks the truth.

 

joe's next visit will be ONLY when Francona and the Red Sox lose a game we could have won. Well, joe, why can't you just give THE OTHER TEAM credit for doing WELL for once? I give Randy Johnson all the credit in the world for that performance. It was AMAZING. How he was pitching, I'm not sure if ANYONE would have been able to hit him.

 

joe, put down the crack pipe, and notice that Francona has done a hell of a lot more good for this team than bad. Most notably, game 3 of the 2004 ALDS when Papi got a single in the 8th or 9th inning. Now, most managers would pinch run in that situation, but when the game went into extras, Papi came up, and we got the walkoff HR win. Most managers would have taken him out, and he wouldn't have even been able to get that opportunity. I'm so sick of the negativity towards Francona, and yes, I have my moments as well, but we won the WS with him as our manager, whether you like it or not. Francona has my trust, because more times than not, he will do more good than bad for the team.

[MC Hammer]

Francona does not have the skills to be an effective manager. He knows that, and baseball strategists know that. He had never been to school to learn baseball coaching, the only qualification he had is that he was a hitter in the majors, and that does not mean he will be a good manager!

... what the hell kind of school would you go to to learn how to be a manager? I've never heard of a manager college ... or even prep school. What in the sweet chocolate christ are you talking about?

[ARod2212]

I don't think you should fret much over the managing of the game. Randy Johnson was entirely dominant, and there wasn't much that you could do. Although, I guess any other lineup couldn't have done any worse.

[example1]

I don't think you should fret much over the managing of the game. Randy Johnson was entirely dominant, and there wasn't much that you could do. Although, I guess any other lineup couldn't have done any worse.

 

And any other lineup wouldn't have touched Wake today either. If it comes out that Giambi has gone back to using steroids I'm going to be SO pissed that he won this game on a pop fly to left.

[schillingouttheks]

You mean, right

[stevece80]

Hey, Irish Jay, stick to sewing.

 

Anyways, this was another big turning point for the Yankees. It's good for them to have games like this to look back on when they miss the playoffs by three games.

[mosox]

There are alot of times during a season when Tito's moves don't make sense to me. But I thought he managed this game as well as it could have been.

You could make an argument for questioning why he didn't send Tek up to pinch hit for Mirabelli in the 8th. Wake was only to going to one more inning, so Tek could have toughed it out and caught him in the bottom of the 8th. The Sox did have chances to score in the 8th and 9th, they just couldn't get one more hit.

[Irish Jay]

You people just don't get it!! The Red Sox could have put this thing away with a win today.. As great as Johnson pitched another hit here or there would have won the Red Sox the game. Stop listening to Jerry Remy and sucking up to evreything Francona does. The guy is a dullard as a manager plain and simple.

[MC Hammer]

You people just don't get it!! The Red Sox could have put this thing away with a win today.. As great as Johnson pitched another hit here or there would have won the Red Sox the game. Stop listening to Jerry Remy and sucking up to evreything Francona does. The guy is a dullard as a manager plain and simple.

This coming from our resident HOF manager, and baseball analyst. Thank you for your insight. <_>

[Sox Fan on Cape]

You people just don't get it!! The Red Sox could have put this thing away with a win today.. As great as Johnson pitched another hit here or there would have won the Red Sox the game. Stop listening to Jerry Remy and sucking up to evreything Francona does. The guy is a dullard as a manager plain and simple.

No, we do get it. The Sox are in a stretch run ( for the division and for home field advantage ) and have a bunch of their starters banged up or tired. The line up was composed of predominently right hand hitters ( factoring in injuries and rest ). The operative word in your post was could have put this thing away ( this being based on " another hit here or there " ), that breaks down to the old, " would've, could've argument. Instead of a wish list of things that might have happened and a weak attempt at defaming our manager, why not provide a well stated ( if you can ) logical statement with statistical back-ups why you might be right. So, factoring in : Injuries, rest, availabilty, stats, and bench management, love to hear how you can justify making these derogitory statements. I'm sorry, the Supreme Court is currently in disarray, the the standard fall back arguement of " I'm entitled to my opinion " doesn't cut it. This is for several reasons. You never stated " in my opinion ", an attack to slander a person in a public forum, etc. Basically you have no defensivable position in this instance. Hence, you will either be ridiculed or ignored or this forum. But that's just " my opinion ".

[sarasoxfan]

I like jerry remy and think he is pretty darn objective, actually.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Jerry Remy is one of the best anyalst / color commentaters in broadcasting ( especially if you're a Sox fan ). If you don't like him, go somewhere else.

[soxie thefangirl]

i love remy. he's awesome.

[ARod2212]

And any other lineup wouldn't have touched Wake today either. If it comes out that Giambi has gone back to using steroids I'm going to be SO pissed that he won this game on a pop fly to left.

Why does everything have to be a comparison of the Yankees and Red Sox?

 

 

Wakefield had nothing to do with Francona's managing today.

 

 

Entirely off topic, period.

[MC Hammer]

Why does everything have to be a comparison of the Yankees and Red Sox?

 

 

Wakefield had nothing to do with Francona's managing today.

 

 

Entirely off topic, period.

Actually you're post about how dominant RJ was is what made him go off topic.

[riverside sluggers]

Actually you're post about how dominant RJ was is what made him go off topic.

 

dually noted...

 

Side Track: Along with his posts that with Sox facing the Blue Jays, the Yanks could gain some ground while facing the Devil Rays in Tropicana Fields. Even though I dont think he realizes it could go the other way with Sox gaining ground and Yanks still having a tough time with the D-Rays, blind if you ask me. I mean hello D-Rays took 2 out of 3 from your team last week. Biggest thing against the Blue Jays for the Sox, was the pitching woes Sox been having in July. Be a different story this series. Bronson is coming off of 2 good starts, Matt Clement enough said right there, David Wells though he did have a rough outing against the Yanks he will get back on track

[MC Hammer]

Here's our last 8 starts just to amplify how we are no longer having those pitching woes.

 

11th: Wakefield, 8 IP 1 ER

10th: Schilling, 8 IP, 2 ER

9th: Wells, 5.2 IP 5 ER

8th: Clement, 6.2 IP, 3 ER

7th: Arroyo, 8 IP, 3 ER

6th: Wakefield, 9 IP, 2 ER

5th: Schilling, 5.2 IP, 4 ER

4th: Wells, 9 IP, 1 ER

 

Considering Schillings start was still rehab, the only bad start was the one by Wells.

[riverside sluggers]

biggest thing for the Sox this series, is that they wont have to face the Blue Jays' ace Halladay

[Irish Jay]

Are you people kidding me ?!!?

 

So some of you are in favor of giving guys like Ortiz, Nixon and Olerud rests!!! Since when do we rest our best players against the Yankees especially since the Yankees are now just three games out of first! Well maybe we can continue to rest the best of our players and come October when the Sox don't qualify for the playoffs you can all say to yourselves.."When at least our teams is healthy".

 

It would have made far greater sense to rest Ortiz tonight. He could have played early Sunday and then had off almost 2 full days.

 

As for Remy goes, he does add some insight to the games at times,however the majority of the game he is brown nosing the front office or self promoting his website. Truth in the matter is NESN wants to market Remy to sell t-shirts etc. Sadly to say the vast majority of the public have been led to be "Remdawg" fanatics like sheep.

[ORS]

Here's our last 8 starts just to amplify how we are no longer having those pitching woes.

 

11th: Wakefield, 8 IP 1 ER

10th: Schilling, 8 IP, 2 ER

9th: Wells, 5.2 IP 5 ER

8th: Clement, 6.2 IP, 3 ER

7th: Arroyo, 8 IP, 3 ER

6th: Wakefield, 9 IP, 2 ER

5th: Schilling, 5.2 IP, 4 ER

4th: Wells, 9 IP, 1 ER

 

Considering Schillings start was still rehab, the only bad start was the one by Wells.

On the 9th, only 3 of the 5 runs Boomer gave up were earned, which further supports your good point.

[MC Hammer]

Yeah I see now that you're right. I didn't really check them over just grabbed them off my friends site.