Ortiz a Shoo-In for MVP

[yankeessuck013]

WOAH!!!!!!! BURN! You are WICKED cool!!!!

 

its called a joke....wise ass

[HOFer51]

hands down eh? well he will be pretty close to those numbers by the time the season is over

Wow, I guess I'm a bit dull. I should have said Ortiz had to blow out A-Rod in every Category. At the time I thought the AL HR Champ would have about 47/48 HR

[HOFer51]

its called a joke....wise ass

yeah and If I made the following joke "Ortiz's weight > His batting average" you would probably get all pissy because your beloved red sox player is getting insulted.

[schillingouttheks]

yeah and If I made the following joke "Ortiz's weight > His batting average" you would probably get all pissy because your beloved red sox player is getting insulted.

 

Wow, LMFAO. Hahahahha wow that's one big motha f***a.

[HOFer51]

Wow, LMFAO. Hahahahha wow that's one big motha f***a.

Or if I said Ortiz eats 3 Big Macs for every homerun he eats.

[schillingouttheks]

One time Ortiz ran so fast down the first base line in Texas that I said someone must have been holding a steak bomb in the rightfield bleachers. If that counts?

 

Okay, enough with the Papi bashing Funny though.

[redsoxrules]

for everyone that keeps saying arod is a great defensive player ,he has the worst feilding percentage of his team (thats with a minimum 17 games played and not including pitchers )

[Optimist]

for everyone that keeps saying arod is a great defensive player ,he has the worst feilding percentage of his team (thats with a minimum 17 games played and not including pitchers )

 

And on a related note, A Rod saved (another) run last night in a 2 - 1 Yankee win.

[redsoxrules]

And on a related note, A Rod saved (another) run last night in a 2 - 1 Yankee win.

 

stats dont lie

[redsoxrules]

And on a related note, A Rod saved (another) run last night in a 2 - 1 Yankee win.

 

and also ortiz has won way more games than arod does with his defense and offense combined!

[Optimist]

stats dont lie

 

Actually, they do some times.

 

Anybody who says A Rod is not playing gold glove third base these last couple months is lying to themselves.

[Optimist]

and also ortiz has won way more games than arod does with his defense and offense combined!

 

...if that helps you sleep at night...whatever... :dunno:

[redsoxrules]

...if that helps you sleep at night...whatever... :dunno:

 

nice reply

[26 to 6]

Anybody who thinks that A-Rod is a bad Third Basemen is a f***in clown. I dont care what numbers you bring up, if you think A-Rod is a bad Third Basemen then there is something wrong.

 

Ok, so there is absolutely NO QUESTION that Ortiz, in the past 3 years since joining the Sox, has emerged as one of the best OFFENSIVE players in the game. But so is A-Rod. But if A-Rod has an off-night with the bat (like last night) he can also contribute in the field by saving a run r 2 (like last night). Ortiz however, cannot. If Ortiz goes 0-4 thats not too valueable, but if A-Rod goes 0-4 but makes a great play to save a run, then thats pretty valueable if you ask me (or any reasonable baseball fan for that matter). Now I know you guys (Sox fans) hate it when we (Yankee fans) bring up the defensive aspect of the debate, but sorry thats part of the game regardless of how much you think it isnt. But, if you want to talk offense then lets go for it. Coming into tonight A-Rod is in the top 4 in EVERY Triple Crown category, Ortiz is not.

 

Avg

1) M. Young .328

2) V. Guerrero .320

3) A. Rodriguez .318

14) D. Ortiz .300

 

HR

1) D. Ortiz 46

2) A. Rodriguez 45

 

RBI

1) D. Ortiz 140

2) M. Teixeira 132

3) M. Ramirez 129

4) A. Rodriguez 120

 

There is no doubt that Ortiz has been FANTASTIC in clutch situations, while A-Rod has not been that great, but I just showed that A-Rod has been a better ALL AROUND hitter this year, just another thing to add to his arguement along with the defensive arguement.

[26 to 6]

and also ortiz has won way more games than arod does with his defense and offense combined!

can you verify that?

[redsoxrules]

Anybody who thinks that A-Rod is a bad Third Basemen is a f***in clown. I dont care what numbers you bring up, if you think A-Rod is a bad Third Basemen then there is something wrong.

 

Ok, so there is absolutely NO QUESTION that Ortiz, in the past 3 years since joining the Sox, has emerged as one of the best OFFENSIVE players in the game. But so is A-Rod. But if A-Rod has an off-night with the bat (like last night) he can also contribute in the field by saving a run r 2 (like last night). Ortiz however, cannot. If Ortiz goes 0-4 thats not too valueable, but if A-Rod goes 0-4 but makes a great play to save a run, then thats pretty valueable if you ask me (or any reasonable baseball fan for that matter). Now I know you guys (Sox fans) hate it when we (Yankee fans) bring up the defensive aspect of the debate, but sorry thats part of the game regardless of how much you think it isnt. But, if you want to talk offense then lets go for it. Coming into tonight A-Rod is in the top 4 in EVERY Triple Crown category, Ortiz is not.

 

Avg

1) M. Young .328

2) V. Guerrero .320

3) A. Rodriguez .318

14) D. Ortiz .300

 

HR

1) D. Ortiz 46

2) A. Rodriguez 45

 

RBI

1) D. Ortiz 140

2) M. Teixeira 132

3) M. Ramirez 129

4) A. Rodriguez 120

 

There is no doubt that Ortiz has been FANTASTIC in clutch situations, while A-Rod has not been that great, but I just showed that A-Rod has been a better ALL AROUND hitter this year, just another thing to add to his arguement along with the defensive arguement.

 

well stats dont f***ing lie as far as his defense go, you should check it out sometimes

[26 to 6]

well stats dont f***ing lie as far as his defense go, you should check it out sometimes

why all the anger, I dont have an attitude, so why do you? Im just talking some baseball.

 

But seriously, you have to be dumb to think that A-Rod is a bad Third Basemen.

[Optimist]

well stats dont f***ing lie

 

Either do my eyes.

 

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1110/captnyjj10909220224oriolesyank.jpg

^ Stops the tying run from scoring in a win that puts the Yankees in first place.

[BronxBomber61]

and also ortiz has won way more games than arod does with his defense and offense combined!

 

No because A-Rod has 20 game winning RBI and Ortiz has 19, A-Rod has won many games with his defense (4 in September) and Ortiz none. Another thing to consider is would Ortiz perform the way he is now if he had to play every game of the season in the field like A-Rod? I think he’d be sucking wind by July.

 

Ortiz is huge for the Red Sox and no one has gotten more walk off’s this year but a DH doesn’t deserve the MVP unless his numbers are immensely better then anyone else.

[redsoxrules]

why all the anger, I dont have an attitude, so why do you? Im just talking some baseball.

 

But seriously, you have to be dumb to think that A-Rod is a bad Third Basemen.

 

im not saying he is a bad 3rd baseman , im saying his defense is not as great as you guys say it is

 

and where did i say arod is a bad 3rd baseman????

[26 to 6]

you should check it out sometimes

 

OK, I think I will. In fact ill compare his numbers to that of your very own Bill Mueller.

 

 

 

------------G---GS---INN-----TC--PO---A---E--DP---F%----RF-----ZR

A-Rod----150-150-1295.2--381-107-263-11--25--.971---2.57--.727

Mueller---132-130 1123.1--330-78--242-10--20--.970---2.56---.775

 

G = Games

GS = Games Started

INN = Innings

TC = Total Chances

PO = Put Outs

A = Assists

E = Errors

DP = Double Play

F% = Fielding Percentage

RF = Range Factor (PO + A divided by innings)

ZR = Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc.

 

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So lets see, something that popped out at me is that A-Rod only has 1 more error than Mueller, but he has had 51 more total chances. Also A-Rod's fielding percentage is better, and he has played 172.1 more innings. So if "stats dont like" you must agree that A-rod is a better 3Bmen than Mueller, right?

[26 to 6]

im not saying he is a bad 3rd baseman , im saying his defense is not as great as you guys say it is

 

and where did i say arod is a bad 3rd baseman????

I didnt say you said it, I just didnt feel like making seperate posts, it was a general statement so I put a blank line between the 2.

[redsoxrules]

No because A-Rod has 20 game winning RBI and Ortiz has 19, A-Rod has won many games with his defense (4 in September) and Ortiz none. Another thing to consider is would Ortiz perform the way he is now if he had to play every game of the season in the field like A-Rod? I think he’d be sucking wind by July.

 

Ortiz is huge for the Red Sox and no one has gotten more walk off’s this year but a DH doesn’t deserve the MVP unless his numbers are immensely better then anyone else.

 

won 4 games with defense in september i dont think so ,i wouldnt call routine ground balls game winning stabs

[redsoxrules]

OK, I think I will. In fact ill compare his numbers to that of your very own Bill Mueller.

 

 

 

------------G---GS---INN-----TC--PO---A---E--DP---F%----RF-----ZR

A-Rod----150-150-1295.2--381-107-263-11--25--.971---2.57--.727

Mueller---132-130 1123.1--330-78--242-10--20--.970---2.56---.775

 

G = Games

GS = Games Started

INN = Innings

TC = Total Chances

PO = Put Outs

A = Assists

E = Errors

DP = Double Play

F% = Fielding Percentage

RF = Range Factor (PO + A divided by innings)

ZR = Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc.

 

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So lets see, something that popped out at me is that A-Rod only has 1 more error than Mueller, but he has had 51 more total chances. Also A-Rod's fielding percentage is better, and he has played 172.1 more innings. So if "stats dont like" you must agree that A-rod is a better 3Bmen than Mueller, right?

 

is this what we are arguing about ?we are talking about ortiz and arod here wtf does mueller have to do with this,,wow watch out his fielding percentage is .001 better

[26 to 6]

is this what we are arguing about ?we are talking about ortiz and arod here wtf does mueller have to do with this,,wow watch out his fielding percentage is .001 better

I know it has nothing to do with Mueller, but you said "stats dont lie" reffering to A-Rod not being that good a 3B. Well I know how good you guys here at talksox think Mueller is, so I figured I would supply stats on A-Rod and just to compare them to someone, so you could see whether or not they are good, I chose to supply Mueller's as well. but now that I have proven that A-Rod is better than Mueller, you come up with a smartass reply. Typical

[redsoxrules]

I know it has nothing to do with Mueller, but you said "stats dont lie" reffering to A-Rod not being that good a 3B. Well I know how good you guys here at talksox think Mueller is, so I figured I would supply stats on A-Rod and just to compare them to someone, so you could see whether or not they are good, I chose to supply Mueller's as well. but now that I have proven that A-Rod is better than Mueller, you come up with a smartass reply. Typical

 

and also for the record i am comparing arod feilding percentage with his team not the rest of the league, because you keep saying his great defense blah blah , f*** he has the worst feilding percentage of his team, hell cano has a better feilding percentage(of corse minimum 17 games played including mom pitcher)

[26 to 6]

and also for the record i am comparing arod feilding percentage with his team not the rest of the league, because you keep saying his great defense blah blah , f*** he has the worst feilding percentage of his team, hell cano has a better feilding percentage(of corse minimum 17 games played including mom pitcher)

the whole team doesnt play 3B though, so thats not really a fair comparrison

[BronxBomber61]

won 4 games with defense in september i dont think so ,i wouldnt call routine ground balls game winning stabs

 

I'm talking about great diving clutch plays, routine ground balls are the ones ?dgar Renter?a gets errors on.

[Cityofchampions33]

After this month, there is no dought in my mind David "Big Papi" Ortiz is the AL's MVP, as u have shown in those stats he's back at .300, and is leading the other categories, RBI's by 20. W/o him this month we're back 3 games by now at least. He almost got us another win against the Devil Rays in the 1st game but since our bullpen sux we didn't complete the comeback. Olerud brought up a good point when he said "If a pitcher can win an MVP award, why can't a DH?" if you think about it a pitcher only goes out every 5th day and doesn't hit in the AL then he contributes less then Ortiz does. You say, well since he doesn;t play defense he can focus on hitting, same thing for a pitcher, and they have 4 days to prep for any game they play. Also, he's done this all by himself, Nixon has been injured, Varitek on a cold streak, Damon injured, Manny hitting singles, and theyre starting to walk Ortiz intentionally now in tight spots, thats why ARod has a measly 1 more RBI than Papi. He's broken the HR record for DHs and has anchored this team for the past couple of months. Not ARod, he has help from his whole team, Johnson is back to his old self, Crosby and Lawton are winnin games now, where we cant get any pitchin help, and if a SP of ours does go deep, its not garunteed w/ our bullpen.

[26 to 6]

After this month, there is no dought in my mind David "Big Papi" Ortiz is the AL's MVP, as u have shown in those stats he's back at .300, and is leading the other categories, RBI's by 20. W/o him this month we're back 3 games by now at least. He almost got us another win against the Devil Rays in the 1st game but since our bullpen sux we didn't complete the comeback. Olerud brought up a good point when he said "If a pitcher can win an MVP award, why can't a DH?" if you think about it a pitcher only goes out every 5th day and doesn't hit in the AL then he contributes less then Ortiz does. You say, well since he doesn;t play defense he can focus on hitting, same thing for a pitcher, and they have 4 days to prep for any game they play. Also, he's done this all by himself, Nixon has been injured, Varitek on a cold streak, Damon injured, Manny hitting singles, and theyre starting to walk Ortiz intentionally now in tight spots, thats why ARod has a measly 1 more RBI than Papi. He's broken the HR record for DHs and has anchored this team for the past couple of months. Not ARod, he has help from his whole team, Johnson is back to his old self, Crosby and Lawton are winnin games now, where we cant get any pitchin help, and if a SP of ours does go deep, its not garunteed w/ our bullpen.

The last pitcher to WIn an MVP award was Clemens in 86, right?

 

But I think that they should officially make the MVP award for players, not pitchers, because they have the Cy Young. The only reason they probably havent yet is because pitchers pretty much never win the MVP award.