Terry Francona: When Loyalty goes to far.

[Sizzlin22]

Actully Tito "winked" but we get the idea.

[SCM33]

That's just the thing, the Sox let the players do what they want. It's sickening. It is the manager's job to tell the players what to do and not the other way around. That's what cost us the 2003 ALCS and that's the problem with Tito. It's just lucky for Tito the Sox were up 10-3 in the 2004 ALCS or he'd be a goat too.

 

If Lou Pinella were the manager of this team, they woulda turned on him in May. Tito does a great job of dealing with all the babies on this team. That being said, Kevin Millar makes me sick and should realize the options on the bench could benefit the team more than he can. I question Titos lineups sometimes, but I dont think there are many other managers who could do a better job with such tough players to deal with.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I might point out, that since Tito has been here we won a World Series and we're in 1st place show me anyother Red Sox manger that has done the same. There's one in NY that has done the same for their team ( but he's not available ).

[riverside sluggers]

and his record so far in the first 2 seasons as manager of the Red Sox is 169-115. let's not forget in the playoffs with him making the big decisions, his record is at 12-3, 4 sweep from the Angels, infamously 4 straight from the Yanks after dropping first 3 games, then 4 sweep from the Cards

[soxie thefangirl]

I don't know. I mean, yeah we won partly 'cause of him. But those guys also worked their asses off to win. So you can't say he's such a wonderful manager etc.

 

For example, the Yankees are doing pretty badly now, I wouldn't say it's Torre's fault. The guy is a perfect manager. It's not always on the manager whether the team is losing or winning.

[riverside sluggers]

yeaaaa ok, i was making a point to the ass who said francona was lucky from sox winning game 7, and he needs to be fired. every manager gets scrutinized

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I don't know. I mean, yeah we won partly 'cause of him. But those guys also worked their asses off to win. So you can't say he's such a wonderful manager etc.

 

For example, the Yankees are doing pretty badly now, I wouldn't say it's Torre's fault. The guy is a perfect manager. It's not always on the manager whether the team is losing or winning.

Well isn't that part of the manager's job... to motivate his players. A manager can't play in the field, he can only TRY and put players in the situation to win. Part of that is the starting line-up, part substitutions, part rest ( to keep fresh ), and part motivation / trust ( they got to trust and want to play for the guy- with exceptions of a few professionals that'll play hard anyway ).

[Sizzlin22]

For example, the Yankees are doing pretty badly now, I wouldn't say it's Torre's fault.

Torre is sooooo far from the perfect manager it's not veen funny. The guy was blessed with great teams, he didn't win those rings at all. He's blown out more arms in the bullpen than legs that were blown off in Vietnam. Torre has no idea how to properly use a bullpen.

[noonanberg]

And Francona's blessed with what, the bad news bears? Manny, Schilling, Ortiz, Pedro last year, Varitek, Damon, etc. wow, at least that's not a group of All- Stars. These are guys that help teams win. Why do you think Tito was unsuccessful in Philly, it was because he didn't have six all- stars to work with. The only real decisions Tito has to make is when to take the starter out (which granted he does a decent job of, except he brings terrible pitchers in or at least he did when Embree was here), and who to start at first base. Not that hard in my book.

[riverside sluggers]

ok let me ask you this, who would you rather have, Grady Little or Tito?

[noonanberg]

Tito, easily.

[SCM33]

Torre is sooooo far from the perfect manager it's not veen funny. The guy was blessed with great teams, he didn't win those rings at all. He's blown out more arms in the bullpen than legs that were blown off in Vietnam. Torre has no idea how to properly use a bullpen.

 

 

The 1996 Yankees say hello. Girardi, Duncan, Gerald Williams, Ruben Sierra in the starting lineup. A bench of dinosaurs Strawberry, Raines, Fielder, Hayes. Aldrete, Fox.

 

Rotation of Key (4.68 era), Rogers (4.68 era), Gooden (5.01 era) Mendoza for half a year (6.79 era).

 

Torre DID win when he didnt have all those players with albatross contracts.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I'm firmly convinced that there is no perfect manager. But I would say Torre and Tito would be classified as good, if you based it on results. The reason is that we all can play would have should have, as far as numerous decisions are concerned, and we may be right. The problem is our alternatives are based conjecture ( although my be based on statistics ) and there is no way to see what would have happened. All we get to see is what did happen. This is unlike a video game as an example. In the video game you can allows replay and try another decision/choice/move, and evently you will figure out the decision tree logic ( if this, then this ) and solve the game. So therefore, the results are what matter. Although, it makes for great discussion, which is what makes the game great.

[SCM33]

YAY FOR MILLARS 5TH HR!!!! WHat a putz....Sit him Tito...please..............mercy