Red Sox Vs. Yanks Starting rotation

[MANNYHOF24]

It appears to me that 4 months into the season the Red Sox have had a more consistant Rotation, And the redsox Ace Curt Schliing has been injured and lately been in the Bullpen, I think the Emergence of Matt Clement (10-3), and soild pitching from David Wells (9-5), Tim Wakefield(9-9), Bronson Arroyo (9-6) has solidified the Red Sox as one of the Better staffs in the MLB. Meanwhile The Yanks Ace Randy Johnson has been inconsistant 11-6 with a high ERA for him anyways. Mussina has been average all year, injuries to Brown, Pavano and Wright have derailed a potential dominant staff. With Curt Schilling coming back, the redsox have the huge edge coming down the stretch pitching wise.

[DrewDaGreat]

We MAY be better then the Yankees but are definitely not one of the better rotations - not without Schilling.

[yankeessuck013]

I totally agree with your analysis. they don't know if wang or brown are gonna be back either. and pavano and wright sucked when they were in NY this year anyways.

[MANNYHOF24]

I think it has been one of the most consistant Rotations, it basicallys gives the sox a chance to win most nights

[MANNYHOF24]

Is Jarret Wright going to be back, ive heard he was done for the season

[yankeessuck013]

i think he will be back either the end of this month or september

[26 to 6]

Is Jarret Wright going to be back, ive heard he was done for the season

like YS013 said, end of August/Early Sept. Possibly as a power arm in the pen.

[DrewDaGreat]

I don't think you guys want Wright or Pavano back...

 

May be better off without them.

[bigpapi349]

IF they can get wright and pavano back, 100% healthy and they pitch like they did last year... yankees will unfortunatly have a very good rotation.

[Are U Kidding Me]

We need to worry about clement. I just hope to god he hasn't lost his delivery by getting hit in the head by that 90 mph line drive. A pitcher that get's hit in the head never comes back the same. It's been documented in many cases.

[yankeessuck013]

I'd like to extend this dicussion to the bullpen too...here's my 2 cents:

 

First off I do not believe the yankees are the better team, we made moves within the organization calling up a few player's (Delcarmen, Papelbon) that will contribute big now and in the playoffs we have curt shilling coming back into the rotation soon I think you might know him also the combo of myers and bradford will do some damage in my opinion dont sleep on these two

[Sizzlin22]

As far as the bullpen goes Foulke is the huge X-factor. Foulke comes back in 2004 form our bullpen could be fine. If Foulke comes back the way he has pitched this year our bullpen stays mediocre.

[elsrbueno]

As far as the bullpen goes Foulke is the huge X-factor. Foulke comes back in 2004 form our bullpen could be fine. If Foulke comes back the way he has pitched this year our bullpen stays mediocre.

 

Sizzlin's exactly right. The way this bullpen is set up (or every single bullpen in baseball) it relies heavily on the closer. Building a successful bullpen in this era starts with a dominant closer and works backwards from there. The Red Sox need Foulke to come back and be as good as he was in 2004, or else they're in trouble.

 

My two cents:

 

Rivera/Gordon/Sturtze > Schilling/Timlin/Myers

 

Johnson > Wells

Mussina > Clement

Wakefield > Pavano (assuming health)

Miller/Arroyo > Wright/Small/Nomo/Chacon/Brown

 

Like I've been saying all along, the Yankees are stronger up front, but the Red Sox are deeper as far as the rotationis concerned. Of course, throw Schilling into that #1 spot, shift the rest of that crew back a spot, and the Red Sox look better.

 

I'd say, MANNYHOF24, that you're pretty biased. Yes, Johnson and Mussina have been inconsistent at times, but so have Wakefield, Arroyo, Wells, and Miller. Also, Matt Clement was having a pretty bad July before getting hurt. SO, jump to the conclusion that the Red Sox rotation is so much better than the Yankees, because it isn't.

 

Foulke coming back is a huge key. If he regains his dominant 2004 form, the Red Sox get stronger in the rotation adding Schilling, and add Arroyo to the bullpen making that stronger too. If he doesn't come back, Schilling will PROBABLY close for the rest of the season, which inherantly weakens the rotation.

[CrespoBlows]

Jaret Wright could still be very good, he just has to locate away. He needs to take what Mazzone taught him, that's what made him more effective.

[mosox]

Wells and Clement seem to match up well with Johnson and Mussina. The big question here is how well Arroyo pitches down the stretch. Last year at this time he was practically lights out.

I read in Newsday that Pavano says he regrets signing with NY, which can't sit well with his team.

[elsrbueno]

Jaret Wright could still be very good, he just has to locate away. He needs to take what Mazzone taught him, that's what made him more effective.

 

I'm not sold on Jaret Wright. Sure, he has the potential to be very good, but SO MANY pitchers throw well for the Braves, leave Atlanta, and struggle. Leo Mazzone is an amazing pitching coach who seems to maximize the potential of his pitchers.

 

Juan Cruz was amazing last year for the Braves after leaving Chicago. He went to Oakland this year, and struggled mightily. That's just ONE example. They returned John Burkett to a very good pitcher after getting released by the DEVIL RAYS.

 

Jorge Sosa? A career 4.71 ERA.... is 6-1 with a 2.63 ERA this season.

 

Mike Hampton, Chris Reitsma, John Thompson, the list of pitchers resurrected by Leo Mazzone is too long for my memory to hold. Of course, the players have to be talented to begin with, but a TON of pitchers perform better in Atlanta than they do anywhere else.

[CrespoBlows]

Leo Mazzone's main philosphy is locate away, and that's what Jaret Wright did when he was with the Braves. He started away, to come inside. It's what Jorge Sosa is doing right now.

 

Living here in Tampa, I got the opportuinty to see Jorge Sosa pitch numerous times. Listing to the radio I heard Chuck Hernandez (Rays pitching coach) saying Jorge, needs to come inside more. But in reality that's what he was doing. Sosa doesn't have great control, and if you miss your spots inside, you're either missing in the middle of the plate, or throwing balls.

 

Sosa tried throwing in, but instead of getting broken bats, and jamming hitters with his excellent fastball, he was watching balls bounce off the catwalk, or land on the batters eye 500 feet away. I still think Wright, and Millwood can suceed, but they have to go away.

[YankeeDoodle]

The Yankees plan on using Wright in the bullpen, sometime in late-to-mid- August. He was good for an inning or two, but...well the plan is still to get him the starting rotation, according to Torre.

 

Don't plan on Brown coming back anytime this year. And if it's next year, he'll not be with the Yankees!

 

I've heard reports that Wang feels good, and he's probably looking to resume throwing sometime. I hope the kid feels well, not even soon, but well, period. He's been huge for the Yankees, and maybe part of that has to do with him not understanding Stottlemyre's "pitching advice"? <_>

 

That report Pavano had regrets or whatever, frankly it was vague and what business does he have parking his pretty ass on the DL, calling up a buddy in Detroit and griping about his situation with his team. Sounds unprofessional, if it's even true. If you're unhappy, get healthy, start pitching get us some wins.

 

Besides RJ (still shows inconsistency) and Moose, the rest of the staff needs only to "keep us in games". Because the Yankees, on paper, have a potent offense, and can give some run support. They're not expecting aces here, although a nice perforance even once in awhile boosts the team.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The Yankees plan on using Wright in the bullpen, sometime in late-to-mid- August. He was good for an inning or two, but...well the plan is still to get him the starting rotation, according to Torre.

 

That report Pavano had regrets or whatever, frankly it was vague and what business does he have parking his pretty ass on the DL, calling up a buddy in Detroit and griping about his situation with his team. Sounds unprofessional, if it's even true. If you're unhappy, get healthy, start pitching get us some wins.

 

Besides RJ (still shows inconsistency) and Moose, the rest of the staff needs only to "keep us in games". Because the Yankees, on paper, have a potent offense, and can give some run support. They're not expecting aces here, although a nice perforance even once in awhile boosts the team.

 

I don't think Wright would be your answer in the bullpen. Other than Mo, Gordon, and Sturtze its hard to do much in the bullpen. Not to mention we may find Wright won't be throwing as hard after that injury. He reminds me a lot of Matt Mantei...hard thrower but no movement. What the Yanks need is a good lefty...so do the Red Sox....I would be shocked if either was able to add one at this point

 

The Yanks have a big advantage at the closer role but the Red Sox have a big advantage with bringing up young arms. The difference between the two is Foulke has the opportunity to contain the closer role while the Yanks...won't be able to find much young pitching to call up.

[yankeessuck013]

I'm not sold on Jaret Wright. Sure, he has the potential to be very good, but SO MANY pitchers throw well for the Braves, leave Atlanta, and struggle. Leo Mazzone is an amazing pitching coach who seems to maximize the potential of his pitchers.

 

on yankee.com, some idiot fan claims wright went six strong innings in A ball (only two hits and 7 strikeouts) and claims it justifies his return now.

 

1. are you really serious? A ball? if you are going to claim he's ready judging by those bats, you need to get a life.

 

2. yankees shouldnt look forward to his return. so quickly they forget he was bad before the injury. remember that 19-8 crushing of tampa bay? he let tb get nearly back into the game. 3.1 innings of 14 hit, 8 run ball isnt good, for those yankee fans who will claim otherwise in their arrogance. when wright comes back, good luck winning with him!

[YankeeDoodle]

Well I'm going to call myself a Yankee fan, one that's not blindingly optimistic maybe, because I don't expect Wright to do that at all. Hopefully 5 IP, 3 ER or less, something like that. Keep the team in the ballgame. Effective and efficient. That's all. :dunno:

[yankeessuck013]

I think we can all agree that when it comes to pitching its a game to game thing. Wakes knuckleball will be flat one game and like saturday night unhittable, Schilling can be sharp then gives up meatball, today I watched Pedro against the Dodgers and he was unbelievable with a no hitter into the eigth and last start he got rocked. When you see a pitcher who is under 2.5 era you are talking HOF. I believe Matt Clement is a good journeymen pitcher who will get better over the next several years as he perfects his command. A perfect example of pitching mysteries is Chacon who the Yankees took off the junk pile because they recognized he was curveball pitcher who curve would never work in the the rarified air of Colorado.

[ARod2212]

Small and Chacon have been better than any other starter on the Yankees or on Boston the last month.

 

But they'll get overlooked because they aren't big name guys. They're going to be a huge factor down the stretch. We know what Johnson can bring to the table, Mussina has been pretty consistent this summer as well. Should the rotation be Johnson, Mussina, Wright, Chacon I really do think they could win some games in October.

 

I'm more worried about the Yankee bullpen, not so much Rivera but Sturtze has been shaky at best lately and Gordon is never a slam dunk. Mendoza just got to Triple A, and if Aaron Small is bumped back into the bullpen he could be a breath of fresh air down the stretch for that pen. Overall the pitching staff isn't as bad off as everyone thinks. We know the offense will give something to the equation as well.

[ARod2212]

PS, I firmly believe that Wright was damaged goods at the start of the year and it's the reason he sucked. The scouts have been saying he looks a lot more like the one from Atlanta than he did in April.

[yankeessuck013]

as i stated in another thread torre is entertaining ideas of sending small to AAA

[yankeessuck013]

regardless that the yankees won, chacon looked shaky today

[yankeessuck013]

dont be so confident on wright of what he has done in A Ball!!!!

[ARod2212]

as i stated in another thread torre is entertaining ideas of sending small to AAA

That is simply straight up retarded. He's been a Godsend.

regardless that the yankees won, chacon looked shaky today

Weather didn't help.

dont be so confident on wright of what he has done in A Ball!!!!

Doesn't matter about the stats, what matters is he was locating his fastball and throwing with some bite on his pitches.

 

 

 

PS- this is how you fit 3 ideas into one post, instead of going 3 times in a row

[yankeessuck013]

PS- this is how you fit 3 ideas into one post, instead of going 3 times in a row

 

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