Yankees Get Chacon

[snb988]

Chacon, 27, has a 1-7 record and 4.09 ERA in 13 games for the Rockies, 12 of them starts. To acquire him, the Yankees gave up a pair of minor-league righthanded pitchers, Ramon Ramirez and Eduardo Sierra.

 

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[YankeeDoodle]

Oh. Dear. Here we go again.

 

Who's starting on Saturday, do you know?

 

Edit: Well perhaps I should actually read the article before I hit submit...hmm, ok, sure thing. Is he going up against Washburn? I'll look up the pitching match-ups sometime later.

 

No Colon though, that's what I remembered. Phew. Angels still own us.

 

OK - I was right...it is Washburn - and the rest of the match-ups against LAA:

 

July 29

Ervin Santana (5-4, 5.64)

Mike Mussina (10-5, 3.83)

 

July 30

Jarrod Washburn (6-6, 3.28)

*TBA (n/a)

 

July 31

Paul Byrd (9-7, 4.10)

Randy Johnson (11-6, 3.95)

 

The Moose has been pitching, that's good, and RJ looked excellent last outing. *gasp* We can win this series? Well, I'm not calling it just yet.

 

*If that is Chacon, a 1-7 record with a 4.09 ERA in the NL is a bit alarming. But being in pinstripes will work wonders, maybe.

[snb988]

Hah, yeah I smell another s*** for s*** deal on this one. :dunno:

 

And you are right, he will go up against Washburn on Saturday.

 

Well that obviously means the Moose has to win tomorrow, but hopefully Chacon can be a nice surprise like Wang, Small, and Leiter. The Yanks aren't short any more by any means on starting pitchers, with RJ, Moose, Pav, Wang, Wright, Brown, Leiter, Small, Chacon (am I missing any? ), but they all get hurt one way or another. In any case, if Wright and Wang get healthy I see Chacon and Small going to the pen, which would give the Yanks some much needed depth on long relief. :thumbsup:

[YankeeDoodle]

Pitching is not this team's expertise. But I would think that if they sent two prospects over, the FO must think that they cannot help the team in ANY way, or else they would've kept them.

 

I don't see Wang coming back - evaluation's probably another two weeks, and even then, I'm not sure he'll be ready. In any case, I would rather he sit out the rest of this season, and be fully healthy for next 2006 - got KB's roster spot penciled in for ya!

 

The Yankees were toying with the idea of rehabbing Wright in the pen - he's good for an inning or two. Some long-relief might actually work if starting is too much.

 

SP rotation then:

RJ

Moose

Leiter

Small

Chacon

 

There's no room for bullpen help - which, TanGorMo[F-Rod] works for now, but the reason that they got worn out was because starters couldn't go deep, and by looks of Flash's arm, it's similar to the siutation in 2004. Oh right, we have Nomo.

 

Mo, we love ya. Has anyone noticed that you've only managed your best season yet, among the torrid pitching performances this season? You're the rock, and we just hope that we can get to you in 9th for a save situation.

 

BTW, I smelled crap every time KB was on the mound. Heh. Wouldn't be another day in Yankees' gripe land if you didn't let BBB know how much HE STUNK IT UP! :rant:

[snb988]

Mo, we love ya. Has anyone noticed that you've only managed your best season yet, among the torrid pitching performances this season? You're the rock, and we just hope that we can get to you in 9th for a save situation.

 

Do I smell a Cy Young award?? It could happen :thumbsup:

[soxie thefangirl]

Mo Rivera rocks. I won't deny it. The rest of the Yankee pitching? Is terrible.

[YankeeDoodle]

Yankees don't win anything. Not anymore. Would gladly take a team award over some individual thing, though.

 

No, relievers usually don't win unless there's not a clear-cut starter. Gagne won one? That's all I can remember. Might pull up stat sometime when I'm more motivated. Probably gonna be (with Halladay out) Buerhle, Garland, or someone.

 

While we're on the award note though, last three times the Yankees have had a player finish in the top three in ROY voting, we've gone to the WS.

 

Jeter 1996 - 1

Soriano 2001 - 3

Matsui 2003 - 2

 

So Obi-Wan, I salute you for coming in and performing under tremendous adversity, none of which was your fault. But you're a Yankee, so you probably won't win. Sorry kid. :dunno:

 

I like Huston Street though; 21 year old closer, and if they get into the play-offs, this guy's got the stuff.

 

Back to Mo and awards, he has a shot at the Rolaids Relief one, which I'll dig up the stats on that one later, too...

[YankeeDoodle]

Seem to have forgotten that Chacon pitched at Coors, so stats might be a little inflated, not in his favor. I hear he's good at holding runners, which is fantastic, since a) Other than Moose, the rest suck and Posada throwing out runners...which is quietest 29% I've seen.

[26 to 6]

Seem to have forgotten that Chacon pitched at Coors, so stats might be a little inflated, not in his favor. I hear he's good at holding runners, which is fantastic, since a) Other than Moose, the rest suck and Posada throwing out runners...which is quietest 29% I've seen.

i must say that i am nothing short of thrilled at what he had to give up. Sierra was projected to be a decent middle relieevr, and Ramon Ramirez has been in our system forever, but doesnt project to be anything spectacular.

[YankeeDoodle]

You would probably know more about the minors than I would but "win now" is the Yankees motto, and though they're not giving up Duncan until something great deal presents itself that obviously isn't Baez or Jose Lima (!!), they need some arms.

 

Don't we need a left-hander in there? F-Rod's coming back, so maybe he can help out Sturtze in the seventh (and Groom?).

 

Btw, since you might be more familar with the Yankees farm system, would Navarro have developed into something? Hindsight hasn't handed in the verdict yet, but a growing concern is at catcher - where in a few years there may be that gaping hole presently seen at center.

[26 to 6]

I think had he stayed in the Yankees system he could have developed quietly like Posada did, but in theDodgers system I dont think he will turn out to be much. Eventually he will be their regular catcher, but i see him as one of those guys who ends up bouncing around from team to team throughout his big league career (which i dont expect to be that long). But definately, had we kept him he would have become something, hes one of those guys that was enamored with the fact that they were Yankees and had the opprotunity to be in the Bronx playing for the big club, thats what motivated and drove him, the pride he had for the Yankees. But hey, i could be wrong, hopegully he becomes a great catcher..but i highly doubt it now.

 

As for a lefty, i think that if we get all of our starters back (Pavano, Wright, Wang, Brown, etc..) and healthy, that Leiter might be thrown out into the pen (you gotta think that Pavano and Wang wont go out there, Chacon will probably be forced out ther), though I think that Brown should be the one in the pen an Leiter the one in the rotation.

 

Right now we got

 

Moose

Randy

Small

Leiter

Chacon

*Pavano

*Wright

*Wang

*Brown

*Nomo

*Mendoza

Rodriguez

Groom

Graman

Proctor

Sturtze

Gordon

Mo

 

There are 6 pitchers there with asterisks next to their name, which mean that they are injured (or in Nomo's case "sharpening up") and expected to come back sometime this year (Wang will most likely be back, will start throwing Monday).

That means 6 spots need to be emptied for them to make room on the 25 man roster, though if you assume Wang and Mendoza wont be back until September, they can just be added when the rosters expand to 40. I think the Yanks will do the same with Wright, he will be capable to come back prior to September but it would make more sense to leave him onthe DL until September 1st so that he could be activated when the rosters expand as well. So lets subtract those 3, which leaves 3 roster spots that need to be vacated for Pavano, Brown, and Nomo. Groom i think will be DFA, and Proctor and Graman have options, so they can be sent down without risking them to waivers, which take care of the 3 spots. Now I believe that since the Yanks now have a free spot on the 40 man roster (they traded Sierra and Ramirez, both of whom were on the 40 man roster, for Chacon, which leaves one spot on the 40 man roster) they should promote Mendoza then classify him as being on the 60 Man DL, which would make him eligible for the postseason if the Yanks choose to use him under the circumstances that he has a stellar September. (to be eligible for the postseason roster, you need to be on the 25 man roster on August 31st, or on either the 15 day DL or the 60 day DL on August 31st, which would make all 6 pitchers with asterisks eligible for the postseason...In Mendoza's case, he would have to go through the process of having his Minor League contract purchased by the Yankees, which would add him to the 40 man roster, [which we should do now that we have a free spot] and then put him on the 60 day DL, which would take him off the 40 man roster, but still be listed as a Major Leager, then we could use his 40 man roster spot for Nomo. Cashman needs to do this process ASAP for it to have an effect). So now that ive probably confused everyone, let me summarize by saying that if we need a lefty in the pen it will likely be Leiter, as RJ, Moose, Pavano, Brown and either Nomo or Small will fill the starting rotation (Leiter could be in the rotation and have Nomo and Small in the pen, but that would leave us with NO lefties out there, as Graman would be optioned down and Groom would be DFA). But to shake thing up even worse, Dennys Reyes (who was released by the Padres monday, and is a lefty) was, last I heard, deciding between the Yankees, Astros, and a third team (possibly the Cardinals I believe) to sign with. He would just add to the surplux of pitching we already have, and I cant even begin to take the time out and try to analyze what moves would be made to accomodate him as well as the pitchers with the asterisks I listed above. Now let me remind you that it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Joe Torre would carry mnore than 12 pitchers on the 25 man roster at any given time between now and August 31st. (I say no more than 12 because if he had 13 he would not have many position players eligible for the postseason, as the 13th pitcher would be taking a position players spot). So basically what im saying is that unless we start trading off these injured guys, or some guys in the pen, we cant afford to go otu and make any improvements to the rotation or bullpen, due to the fact that we are overstocked in the pitching department. So since we cant make additions (unless it is ruled that either Brown, Pavano, Wright, or Wang is out for the entire year), we will have to make it work with the pitchers under contract right now. Which may be tough. Now realize that I am not Brian Cashman so therefore he may still make an addition to the pitching staff, and figure out what to do from there (it would be VERY tough), but it is unlikely and would be a difficult task.

 

 

OK guys, i realize that i just wrote a novel, and that probably none of you read it all in its full, but if you want your Yankees pitching questions answered, then read everything i just wrote.

[Sizzlin22]

Wright, Brown, Leiter, Small, Chacon

I don't really see them as pitchers, they are more, how you say? Pieces of s*** that the Yankees throw up in hopes that they stick.

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I don't really see them as pitchers, they are more, how you say? Pieces of s*** that the Yankees throw up in hopes that they stick.

im almost to the point of agreeing with you

[YankeeDoodle]

Oh my gosh. You're not writing a resume, are you? Especially since I have caught the "short attention span syndrome" from some of these posters (Sizzlin, you know it), I shall be reading this at my own leisure. Would it hurt to indent though? Such as pitchers staying, going, going to the DL...

 

Would it be safe to assume addition by subtration in some cases?

 

Is Rivera the only pitcher left from that late 90's championship run? WOW. I saw David Cone today on a TV piece...what's he been up to?

 

Wright is on the 60-day DL, I think - sometimes guys stay on the 15- forever if their roster spot isn't needed, but well, pitching has been a revolving door this season.

 

Remember when last summer, no one wanted to make the Posada-for-RJ trade? We can't buy, we can't sell.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I like how the yankees are pitching up these high ERA throw aways. Leiter, Nomo, Chacon, who's next? Ponson? Muahahaaaa. Unlike most pickups, which are low risk high reward the yankes seem to like high risk low reward

[26 to 6]

I like how the yankees are pitching up these high ERA throw aways. Leiter, Nomo, Chacon, who's next? Ponson? Muahahaaaa. Unlike most pickups, which are low risk high reward the yankes seem to like high risk low reward

please no one ever mention the thought of Sidney Ponson in pinstripes EVER AGAIN

[BigPapiEnFuego]

No one should mention the thought of Ponson pitching at the MLB level

[YankeeDoodle]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

 

Somehow I feel more scared at the Yankees pitching rotation than Christopher Columbus sailing off the face of this earth...

[Manny Goes Boom]

But why Chacon? Was he the best available for the Yankees?

[26 to 6]

No one should mention the thought of Ponson pitching at the MLB level

agreed

[YankeeDoodle]

But why Chacon? Was he the best available for the Yankees?

No, apparently according to ESPN's Jayson Stark, we went after Jose Lima first. He's like Kevin Brown, only healthy, with probably even a more rockin' ERA - how's that for "equal value"?

 

But coming off that extra-inning win against the Chi Sox, the Royals probably felt they were still in this thing, plus they did sweep the Yankees this year, therefore they felt all haughty and didn't go through with the trade. Don't know any specifics as to what bait the Yanks dangled.

 

Ok, seriously...first Griffey Jr., now LIMA - what's going on with the FO here?

 

According to Stark the Yanks are going to sit tight through the trade deadline. Which means he doesn't know anything. <_>

[yankeessuck013]

The Yanks aren't short any more by any means on starting pitchers, with RJ, Moose, Pav, Wang, Wright, Brown, Leiter, Small, Chacon (am I missing any? ),

 

nomo....maybe once they could get a DECENT SP

[YankeeDoodle]

Well, let me know if there's any available...SP is a highly valued commodity right now.

 

Nomo sounds like some sort of sushi, but if we can wrap him with the other wash-ups, I don't know, maybe we can actually serve some teams with PITCHING.

 

The Angels must be exhausted after going 16 innings against the Jays - and lost. I heard they called up AAA pitching to help against the next Yankees.

 

Tough break, but with our track record against these guys, we'll need it.

[26 to 6]

heres what yankees.com/mlb.com have.....i always wondered how this was done, because i know he didnt pose for that pic yet, thats the same exact pic he had with the Rockies just with a yankee hat and jersey...but how do they change the teams jerseys and hat...like the NY is perfectly lined up with how he wears it, its pretty cool. Lol anyways, Heres Shawn Chacon

[26 to 6]

A Little off-subject, but this one looks pretty good too!

[yankeessuck013]

chacon looks like a huuuuuge pothead

[elsrbueno]

I don't know the first thing about the two Yankees prospects given up, but they don't seem to be considered impact prospects at this point.

 

Shawn might actually become a decent acquisition for the Yankees. He had a 3.12 ERA in 6 starts away from Coors. Sure, he was 0-5, but the Rockies are the worst team in the NL (if not all of baseball) so getting wins for that team isn't exactly easy. Also, he's only allowed 1 homer in 34 innings, so he's capable of keeping the ball in the park. What would concern me if I were a Yankee fan is his K:BB ratio-- he's actually walked MORE batters than he's struck out (21:20) which would make me pretty nervous. A 5.29 K/9 ratio isn't horrible, but it isn't great either. He'll be depending a lot on the Yankee defense.....

 

He's by no means a sure thing, but he's (IMO) the best scrap heap pitcher the Yankees have picked up this season (Lieter, Nomo, Small, etc).

[soxie thefangirl]

That's really not saying much when comparing him to them.

[yeszir]

I just think its funny that 26 to 6 has to resort to something that was said in regards to 1946 in order to make the sox look bad in his signature. In any case, back to your regularly scheduled thread...

[BigPapiEnFuego]

A 5.29 K/9 ratio isn't horrible, but it isn't great either. He'll be depending a lot on the Yankee defense.....

 

 

 

haha!! Good luck with that