The Official Terry Francona Thread

[Ortiz34]

who bashed who?

[elsrbueno]

Ortiz,

Francona (sorta) bashed Lowe after his last start.

[Ortiz34]

o yeah, i saw that. I mean he kinda has a right to bash and he kinda doesn;t. It was still funny.

[Tek04]

Good im glad Terry did that...time to speak up and get mad for such crappy playing

[Ortiz34]

did you guys also see lowe somehwat flip out to the media? They were interviewing him after his poor performance, and he was like whining.

 

He said something like "How come whenever someone else like Schill or Pedro pitches a poor game, you guys just say they threw the wrong pitches. But when i pitch poorly, you tell me im horrible and i have no talent. I think thats unfair"

 

I thought it was pretty funny, and also pretty sad.

[JMDurron]

Looks like the bashing Lowe got from Francona might have actually helped. Seems like the whole team stepped up a bit afterwards, could it be from the shock of the "Player's Manager" actually slapping someone over a lousy performance? "Whoa, we're actually accountable! Time to get it together!"

[elsrbueno]

I find it interesting and refreshing that the Sox have done more running and hit and runs of late. Could Francona be changing his strategy?

[RedSoxRooter]

I think he was forced to change his style. The fans were starting to turn on him. If the sox come out dead to start the second half, he's going to be in real trouble.

[elsrbueno]

You've got to imagine that Theo and company had begun to lose a little patience with Terry too. Remember, managers tend to take the fall first for teams playing below expectations....

 

I personally was glad to see Francona take more chances...

[elsrbueno]

Alright.

 

I gotta talk for a minute on Terry Francona. I didn't want to do this last night because I get emotional after a Red Sox loss and say things like "Trade Nomar," or "Fire Francona!"

 

I've had some time to think about it, and I really don't understand the logic for starting Lowe last night. The team needed a win to start the second half, to boost confidence, show the fans their turning it around, etc. What does Francona do? He starts the MOST inconsistant starter on the team.

 

That's not a way to win. He's looking more and more like Jimy Williams every day. He coddles the stars, and they walk all over him. Sure, they love him, but they don't win baseball games. Shouldn't there be a point when he says, "No, you can't take a long vacation," or "If you can't play the day before the All-Star game, or the day after, why do you play in it? The All-Star game is fun, but we've got a pennant to win."

 

It's just really frustrating to see this team play so poorly and so inconsistently. Now it's not all Terry's fault, but I have lost my faith in his leadership abilities.

[sarasoxfan]

Welcome aboard.

 

Francona is a moron, no doubt about it. Lowe was the wrong choice. Whats more embree blows and always has blown. After one batter it was obvios he sucked (as usdal) take hime out and at elast we have a chance. That has happened numerous times. Francona is such a wimp as a players manager afraid to upset these guys. They police themese4lves and walk all over him,. This manny thing is ridiculous, pedro leaves when he wants.blah, blah...all I know is the guy makes the wrong call on ptiching every time. Lowe stinks I think he has proven that he doesnt have it this season why do we keep letting him get slaughtered.

Fiere Francona now before its too late. Jimy Williams is available???

 

I know the manager doesnt play, the players do..well, In this case I honestly believe in many cases tony's ineptitude is costing us games.

Pedro should f***ing started last night. We should be off with a win and I shoukld be in a good mood right now. .

 

Grady Little, and Tony FRanconca....quite a hiring record for THeo.

 

How about some one with a backbone, and not some ass kissing weasel..

[trot4mvp]

See my comments in yesterday's gameday thread...

 

I still can't believe they chose Terry Francona to manage this team. I'm so disgusted right now.

[elsrbueno]

Francona's decisions ALWAYS backfire. It was smart to pull Lowe. He was fried after throwing 117 pitches. Bringing in Embree as a lefty specialist....has NEVER worked. In fact, in 2004, lefties are hitting BETTER against Embree than righties (.233 to .227).

 

In a 2-1 game, bringing in a reliever to stop the bleeding was a good idea. I'm not sure Embree was the best idea.

 

Earth to Theo/Terry: Embree IS NOT a lefty specialist!

[sarasoxfan]

els, you hit the nail on the head. Yes, for once Tony made the right call and FINALLY yanked Lowe before it was too late. Unfortunately he brought in the wrong guy in to pitch and then left him in too long. Alan embree has one pitch a straight down the middle fastball, that leaves the bat faster that it comes in.

 

Embree has never done anything and should be realesed.

The Mendoza fiasco continues..that makkes a total of about two or three good innnings for 6 mill.

 

I know its politcally correct to insult Theo, but sheesh...we need something--I was never too sastitfied with last year's in season moves and I hevnt seen anything this year to change my opinion.

 

we are in the hunt but I dont think this team is going to respond to the dim witted, non emotional, always wrong slow moving irrational style of a tony franconca.

Dave Wallace is my opinion is no prize either.

 

WE need someone with some fire in his belly (a la Lou Pinella) some one who appears to mind losing.

[elsrbueno]

I agree. Francona's laid back attitude has gone too far. The man could care less if the Sox win as long as they all love each other, and can go out for a beer after the game.

 

Hey Terry.....the fans don't care if you all love each other (yes, you ARE around for the fans believe it or not).

[schillingouttheks]

i said it at the beginning of the year, i promise. i said i dont think francona knows what hes gotten himself into by coming to boston. here we want to win, we dont want to see what ur affection to the players is. there is a lot of pressure on the managers when we dont win, and there are a lot of comments about the managers that they may not like, well earth to terry, we say these for a reason and it wouldnt hurt to listen every once in awhile if ur doing poorly like u r. i mean, just reading some of the posts by some people like ELS especially, it sounds like he knows enough to take over the managers spot from terry, and i wouldnt be disappointed. he understands that the object is to win and who gives a f*** if the players get along or not. if they are doing well thats all that matters. teach them how to get better, so u can win a freakin championship. goddamn it terry, U DONT KNOW WHAT U GOT URSELF INTO BY COMING HERE.

[elsrbueno]

I'm ressurecting this thread because I HATE Terry Francona.....

[schillingouttheks]

true dat

[Sizzlin22]

I jsut don't like Franconas attitude he dosen't have control over the club.

[schillingouttheks]

welcome to what we think sizzlin...he doesnt have the desire to win, only the heart to care for the players....

[sarasoxfan]

I say fire the f***head the next game we lose.....every win saves his ass for more day.

[Sizzlin22]

I think Theo needs to make a deal and FAST.