White Sox Want Wilyer Abreu to Headline A Potential Garrett Crochet Deal

24 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Relegate the ChiSox to AAA if that trade happens. 

 

Hey they didn’t get where they are by making a bunch of smart trades…

16 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Aren't they already an AAA team? 

Not yet, but it’s one of their stretch goals for 2025…

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

What does BTV say about the Crochet for Dominguez & Jones? 

Overpay, but not as bad as I suspected.

Crochet has a surplus value of $42.2mill.  Dominguez has a surplus value of $25 mill.  Jones has a surplus value of $33.5mill.

Abreu has a surplus value of $30.3mil, putting him $28mill below the Yankee offer.  Kutter Crawford ($24mill) on his own makes up a big difference.  Or a combo of Braden Montgomery ($15mill) and Franklin Arias ($11.5) mill would also get you closer.

A trade of Abreu and either Montgomery or Arias is close to value on BTV and worth considering.  A trade of all three is far, far less favorable.  For 2 arb years of Crochet, that package makes me explore other alternatives.

A package of Abreu and Crawford?  My first thought is “Yes! Obviously!”  But second thoughts do make me wonder how much of an upgrade is Crochet over Crawford?  

15 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

What BTV doesn’t tell us is how CHW values these guys internally.  If they like Abreu….they like Abreu.  Who knows 

All BTV can do is tell you a trade is fair using their model.

Their model, for example, says a trade of Crochet and Luis Robert (total surplus value $54.4mill) for Abreu and Crawford ($54.3mill) is spot on.  But I seriously doubt the White Sox go for that. (Maybe they do for Abreu, Montgomery, and Arias?)

I can see why they have interest in Abreu.  He’s a minimum wage Gold Glove 3 WAR right fielder and last year, they had that position manned by Dominic Fletcher and Sadness…

9 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

No but he has more team control

And more experience as a starting pitcher…

13 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I don’t think Montgomery is going.  But I can see a slight upgrade from Gonzalez in the piece.  
 

if Casas/Houck/The big 4/ Montgomery are involved I want no part of it.

So no one with any actual appeal in a trade.

I doubt the White Sox have any interest in dealing their best pitcher for Wikelman.  Crochet absolutely has question marks, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to be available for anything…

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Who cares about team control over a #4/5 starter? 

A team whose fifth starter was some guy named Davis Martin.

Ir maybe it was Martin Davis?  Doesn’t really matter…

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

More mediocre experience.

Crawford 23 AND 24: 4.6 bWAR

Crochet 24: 4.1 bWAR 

He's half the pitcher Crochet is. 

You left out that Crochet has 30 more IP in his career than Crawford had last year. Plus one more TJ…

28 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

More mediocre experience.

Crawford 23 AND 24: 4.6 bWAR

Crochet 24: 4.1 bWAR 

He's half the pitcher Crochet is. 

But by allowing almost twice as many homers!

If the Red Sox do trade Crawford, they must know Giolito (HR king of '23) is coming back or they're confident Bello will give up more longballs... because their rotation has to lead the league in something (besides Most Cy Young Winners the season after leaving Boston).

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Kutter Crawford sucks. We all wanted him to have a good season last year and he beefed it big time. 

How many “4th/5th starters” made 32 starts, pitched 180 IP, and were worth 2 bWAR?

He’s not a great pithcher, but he is a good one.  And his durability last year has value.

He won’t be part of a trade for Crochet, but that doesn’t make him worthless…