Morosi: Cardinals, Red Sox Have Had "Recent Communication" Regarding Nolan Arenado

He's a good glove, but his bat will be worse then Yoshida's over the next 3 years.

STL should pay 30% of his deal, minimum, to just break even and get nothing worth anything, IMO.

If we give them Yoshida, who they don't need, and pay about half his contract, that would equal the 30%.

Mullins & Yoshida and $8M x 3 (tops) for Arenado. (I'm not even sure I like this deal.)

On hitting in Fenway: it's not just about the wall and HRs. It's about a big RF and great sight backdrop for seeing pitches.

3 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Devers 3rd base defense is a dumpster fire. 
devers at DH and occasional 3rd or 1st base has to be a significant improvement defensively!!!

Is having arenado at 3rd and devers at DH, better for the team than devers at 3rd and yoshida at DH???? 
 

I still think there is a good chance Devers can become a better defensive 1Bman than Casas by mid season. If not, then yes, DH him almost all the time, except when Arenado or Casas needs a day off.

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

They calculate it based on the actual loft of the ball. If it wouldn't clear the monster, it's not counted as a HR. Maybe he'd hit more 2b's? Maybe he'd continue to slug under 400 because he's middle aged and his bat is slowing down?

StatCast spray charts do not take the height of the wall into account.

Vaughn Grissom’s spray charts show one hit he has was a clear home run to left center on the Fenway overlay.  But those dots are links to videos of the hit (I did not know this), and that ball that should have landed well behind the monster was actually hit AT FENWAY and struck the wall 2/3 of the way up for a double…

Arenado certainly could make the infield defense better, but he’s a step down offensively from Yoshida…

I might be for this acquisition because it would signify an actual change in the defensive structure, which would mean the Sox really are serious about improving their chances at contending.

Moving Devers off the hot corner would also be a hell of a lot easier if it's for an all-time Gold Glover whose seven-year peak is better than the average Hall of Fame third baseman (according to bb-ref). 

The plan may be all for the transition. If Arenado sucks, it will be a lot easier to replace him with a super duper prospect like Campbell or Mayer -- rather than the awkward situation of one of them bumping our veteran $300 million dollar manchild.

4 minutes ago, notin said:

Arenado certainly could make the infield defense better, but he’s a step down offensively from Yoshida…

Agreed, but opening up the DH slot for Casas and or Devers can help keep them healthier and "fresher,: which would hopefully lead to more PAs per season.

I'm really afraid Arenado might hit .650 in '25, .620 in '26 and maybe worse in '27. His bat speed has nosedived.

2 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I might be for this acquisition because it would signify an actual change in the defensive structure, which would mean the Sox really are serious about improving their chances at contending.

Moving Devers off the hot corner would also be a hell of a lot easier if it's for an all-time Gold Glover whose seven-year peak is better than the average Hall of Fame third baseman (according to bb-ref). 

The plan may be all for the transition. If Arenado sucks, it will be a lot easier to replace him with a super duper prospect like Campbell or Mayer -- rather than the awkward situation of one of them bumping our veteran $300 million dollar manchild.

Unless they take Yoshida and cash as part of the deal, I don't want us to add another Yoshida, even if Arenado improves the D at 3B.

18 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Agreed, but opening up the DH slot for Casas and or Devers can help keep them healthier and "fresher,: which would hopefully lead to more PAs per season.

I'm really afraid Arenado might hit .650 in '25, .620 in '26 and maybe worse in '27. His bat speed has nosedived.

With his $75mill left on 3 years, the Sox will have over $120mill in Arenado and Yoshida.  As much as I want the defensive upgrade, I think leaving Yoshida as the DH does a better job addressing one of the Sox deficiencies…

8 minutes ago, notin said:

With his $75mill left on 3 years, the Sox will have over $120mill in Arenado and Yoshida.  As much as I want the defensive upgrade, I think leaving Yoshida as the DH does a better job addressing one of the Sox deficiencies…

They say with deferrals and the COL payments, Arenado's contract is really 60 something million.

I would not pay him that as a FA. Why would I give any prospect for him?

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Wouldn't Casas at DH be better?

I'm thinking Devers could play 1B better than Casas, after just a few weeks. His main issue is the arm accuracy.

Plus, he seems to want to play in the field vs DH'ing, so maybe 1B would keep him a little bit happier.

Have to think the hold-up all winter is Breslow insisting on Bloom taking back Yoshida. If the Cards really want to make a deal, that may now be their only choice. Perhaps subsidies going one way or the other are being negotiated... 

Notice I didn't call Yoshida "Bloom's Binkie" or "Bloom's Abomination" -- because even though he was CBO at the time of the signing, there are a ton of other front office peeps that are somehow still here... after that happened on their watch.

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Wouldn't Casas at DH be better?

Casas is the lineup regardless.  It comes down to Yoshida vs Arenado, because if the Sox do acquire Arenado, it pushes Yoshida out of the lineup.  Arenado should improve the defense. Yoshida will be better on offense.

I’m not sure which one makes for a better overall team…

37 minutes ago, notin said:

Casas is the lineup regardless.  It comes down to Yoshida vs Arenado, because if the Sox do acquire Arenado, it pushes Yoshida out of the lineup.  Arenado should improve the defense. Yoshida will be better on offense.

I’m not sure which one makes for a better overall team…

Gasp... or Yoshida plays LF, Duran CF and Abreu-Rafaela RF.

Gulp- Gasp-Gulp!

Any aging player can have a resurgence, but I just don't see one for Arenado.

Last 3 OPS: .891>.774>.719

He turns 35 in a couple months.

As much as I'd love to see our 3B defense improve, at what price would this come to?

Our offense would almost certainly take a hit, and we are already shaking our heads at no O'Neal replacement,

Our budget would almost certainly take some hit, and we can't even afford to pay Grichuk or Lareano $4-5M/1, as it is.

Either STL has to pay a big chunk of his deal, or they have to take Yoshida and some cash. I guess they could add Helsley or Murphy and change the whole dynamic, but I doubt that happens.

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He turns 35 in about 15 months. 

LOL!

Ooops.