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I tried to point this out, but was not as eloquent as you. Basically, if Giolito is good, he's as good as gone (unless anyone thinks Henry will pay more for him, a year later)... ... but if Giolito is bad, he won't opt out (because no one will pay him more than Boston's $19M to serve meatballs) -- but at least we'll then get to see him eat innings for two seasons.
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Pivetta, at his age and as the most versatile pitcher on the staff, would be a fine addition to a good team. He has done well, at times, at starting, bulk relieving, even closing in the postseason. Pivetta should be highly valued for a team sincere about rebuilding, but he may not be worth keeping for a bad team more concerned about budgets than paying market prices for good players. However, it is hard to imagine his trade value would return anything more than a prospect in a salary dump. Unless he's part of a multi-player package, nobody is going to give up a young controllable starting pitcher or MLB-ready position player for Nick.
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Six years. But what's your point? I just read Grissom chases out of the zone, but the numbers show that he made better contact at the final level on the way up than other Red Sox prospects. I'm not saying his hand-eye is as good as Devers, and he'll be hitting liners off pitches that bounce, but -- for optimistic fans trying to look beyond the bad D reports -- does that BB/K ratio look at all positive to you?
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Grissom raked in Triple A (.330 BA, .921 OPS, in 468 PA), but we Worcester fans are always wary of minor mashers... ex: Dalbec hit 33 homers last year, so he must be MLB ready! Then there are these splits for batters: BB vs. Ks in AAA Dalbec 72 vs. 212 Duran 66 vs. 150 Rafaela 12 vs 48 Abreu 59 vs. 74 Casas 54 vs. 76 Grissom 56 vs. 66 If the new guy has a better eye... or makes better contact... than Wilyer or Full-Count Casas -- VG could be Very Good.
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There are those in the org that still can't sleep at night since the Betts trade. They hope to someday bring Mookie back to Boston for the last few years of his career, so he can go into the Hall of Fame wearing a B on the cap of his bronze plaque, and then become a baseball ambassador at Fenway, like Pedro and Papi. I made all that up. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
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I agree with most of this post. The only issue is that Merloni is the one source I personally heard quote the supposed offer to Mookie. Merloni works for the club as occasional color man on radio or tv... but the perception is that he's not a company man. Instead, he's always giving candid opinions (kinda like Shaugnessey in the Henry-owned Globe). As an ex-MLB player, Merloni sounds more on the side of the players and coaches than the owners or front office. And as a current Sox fan, Merloni is definitely more empathetic to the fans helplessly watching and wishing their team was better. Then again, maybe he was just quoting a leak that he heard...
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Red Sox fans should be happy that Breslow acquired a young hitter with star potential for second base, instead of journeymen in their 30s like Merrifield or Drury. Grissom can be part of the new core in the rebuild, and all he cost was a broken-down pitcher, whose exit closes an agonizing chapter of convalescence (at least for part of the starting rotation). Edit: just read Jax, echo-echo...
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I didn't want him, either. Adding Giolito to the rotation for one good year, or one or two bad ones, stabilizes nothing -- it just puts us right back into the Bloom Era of 1-year/$10M fill-ins (only now the fair market price has nearly doubled). If he's a #4, though -- which means Brez makes a big trade for a starter, and/or signs the likes of Montgomery/Imanaga/Stroman -- then it almost makes sense. But replacing Sale with Giolito isn't much improvement. In fact, they were equal with 1.7 WAR last year, and that's after Gio threw almost twice as many innings... (his big strength, which saves the bullpen, but also offers more Bearclaw games if he's '23 ineffective).
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Lots of assumptions you make using words I never posted. Do you find it unsettling at all that if Giolito is bad enough to not opt out and cash in, that he gets to return for another year in Boston -- and that the Red Sox are perfectly ok with that?
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How can I not be suspicious of the Giolito signing? He used to be good, but for the past two seasons he has not been good. The only sure thing with him is durability: start 30 games, throw 175 innings. If he still leads the league in giving up bombs the next two years, at least the Red Sox will have fielded a team for paying customers to watch. That may be our worst-case scenario, but for all we know about the Committee running the front office that analyzes everything, it may be their most-confident scenario.
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And the opt out means that if Gio has a good comeback season -- like the Red Sox expect -- then he'll be back in the free agent market next winter... and Boston will only have to pay half of his current contract. Hmmmm...
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A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Young barracuda (college age, all legal)... coveted by a coverband called Heartburn. -
... arguably, in his first offseason, Breslow has already added a talent better than any young position player acquired by his predecessor... (at least in character, based on words from the Atlanta GM, who praised Grissom on the way out... as opposed to say, Verdugo, who for some reason doesn't want to still be friends with guys like Papelbon).
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Whoa, there -- not everyone. Cora did all he could to boost Tall Slim's confidence, Bloom refused to eat any salary, and a lot of fans bought into counting on him. But some of us refused to include him in even our last two year's projected rotations. And now, finally, we don't have to read his name in any more starting lists or hear Sam tell us Sale will be better when he returns in August than anybody they could possibly trade for. As for the $17 mil -- if it bugs you so much, think of it as the cost of a future star Fenway batter... like a free agent signed for the next six seasons (17 divided by 6, plus his minimum wages and raises isn't bad for a guy if he can repeat his 4-year minor league success in the majors: .320 BA, .884 OPS).
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True, there's little improvement on the pitching staff so far. As much as some posters like Giolito's chances to rebound, there's no guarantee he won't be Kluber. He is a more sure thing than Sale to take the ball every five days (even if he keeps losing them over the Monster). But at least there is young talent added to the roster in Grissom. The main point suddenly about the offseason is that Breslow looks intent to move on from the disastrous Bloom Era -- ridding the Red Sox of disruptive issues symbolized by Verdugo and Sale. Turn the page, a fresh slate, go on the wagon, start exercising, happy new year.
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Young Grissom -- good bat, bad glove -- sounds an awful lot like E.Valdez... in other words, maybe not the answer to shore up the infield D (especially since rumor has it he was playing outfield in the winter league). But he has potential and is under control for many years at big league minimum... Sox paying Braves to take Sale shows how much Brez really wanted to move on from the Deadwood Forest.
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Just sign both, then we'll have our rotation (Sale -- no matter how much we paid him, and how great he was in '17/18 -- was never going to take a regular turn as a Boston starter again; brittle tissue doesn't get supple with age). Stroman, Bello, Imanaga, Giolito, Crawford... with Pivetta key Bulk Guy/Swingman. All the rest are in the bullpen, including Whitlock/Houck at the back end, to replace Jansen/Martin when they're traded for pitching prospects.
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But will it be Lucas? Apparently, Giolito set some kind of record in '23 as the first guy in 125 years to give up 8 runs in a game for three different teams. That's three different managers who allowed him to have Bearclaw games (hopefully, Cora isn't looking forward to a new recruit for those kinds of innings to eat...).
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A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Wasn't Harris a righty and a lefty? A unicorndog! -
We'll see. Glad you're optimistic, but stat people here might cite ERAs the past two years for comparison: Wacha 3.32, 3.22 vs. Giolito 4.90, 4.88... MLB average 4.02, 4.37.
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A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Trending the past two years? At least those here who liked the Kluber acquisition a year ago -- there were a few -- tried to point out that Klubes was better at pitching in '22 than Wacha. So sick of projects. Five years is like half a decade. It's cool when they rebound and boost clubs into contention: Tiant, Wakefield... uh, that's all I got -- in over half a Red Sox century. Eovaldi blossomed, got hurt again, and battled back in Boston to top the rotation into the stud that some of us knew he was; then the Sox let him go. Wacha and Paxton were good for fifth-place teams. -
Not an Eovaldi nor a Wacha the past two years -- but will be paid a similar AAV by the Red Sox that they refused either last winter. For those of us who feared same-old of the Committee figure-headed by Brez/Bloom, at least something has changed... in the amount of change they're finally dishing out for starting pitching.
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I could care less who paid what for Xander Bogaerts. I care more that the Red Sox totally screwed themselves and their fans by allowing another homegrown All-Star Silver Slugger to leave Boston... and replaced him with inferior ballplayers.
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A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Keep Miguel Bleis. A boring perennial fifth-place team with barely the twinkle of stars needs to hang on to the one guy in the system described as having five-tool potential. He's 19, missed a season from surgery, and is ready to break out. No MLB team is going to trade any promising young pitcher for unproven damaged goods, anyway.
