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It's March -- the month the regular season begins. If I'm a contender, I want my top pitchers getting ready together, drilling and practicing with the team, stretching it out and working up pitch counts in exhibition games... ... not glued to their cells awaiting reprieve from Warden Boras. I dont care if he has his own camp; it's not the same and clock digits are flashing.
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Nolan Ryan. He was the first star pitcher in the 1970s noted for some bad records on bad teams. Despite leading the AL in stats like Ks, IP, CG, SHO, H9 (and no H9), Ryan lost 15 games a year for almost a decade. On the Angels, he was the Mike Trout of pitchers. The Ryan season that should end this debate, however, was 1987 on a below-.500 Houston club. That's when he led the NL in ERA, Ks, FIP, H9, K9, ERA+, K/BB... but for some reason only finished 5th in Cy Young voting, with 0 1st place votes. Maybe it was his won-loss record: 8-16.
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Did he throw up this morning because of last night's tequila shots or bad crab legs? And check his temp, because a fever could mean the flu.
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"Budget parameters!" said Sam.
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WHIPPER Wacha! 1.1 the last two highly-mocked-on-talksox years...
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President Sam said this yesterday: "This is a responsibility, a stewardship by John [Henry], Tom [Werner] and Mike [Gordon] to do everything they can to put a winning, great product on the field, and that will continue in 2024 and beyond.” Can't wait until Andrew Bailey teaches new grips to John, Tom and Mike -- and makes them all 20-game whippers.
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Name a guy who's ERA and WHIP were better than only a handful of starters in the NL in '23, and in the AL in '22... Hint: rhymes with Like Skywalka
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I was going to say Smoltz in the 1-0 Game Seven of the '91 World Series... but he only pitched into the 8th. Jack Morris threw a 10-inning shutout for the win -- but let's not dive back into his Hall of Fame resume... ... then again, there was the classic where Marichal bested Spahn and each pitched 15-inning shutouts before Mays home run gave them both decisions.
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I'm still trying to figure out if in Montgomery no-decisions, he gave up 3.89 runs on average in the 5 innings he averaged in those starts... ... or is notin's 7 in 9 IP -- or moon's 2.1 in 5 IP?
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Remember when David Price's career postseason record in 11 games started for four different teams was 0-9... until he finally won the last game of the 2018 ALCS? Maybe the best-paid hurler in history at the time didn't always pitch like dogsquat in October, but the record sure looked like it. A lot of people -- fans, media, David, and I'll bet some teammates -- couldn't get over that fact... until he finally beat Houston and the Dodgers.
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I agree an ERA of 3.89 is good -- and ERA is calculated per a 9 inning game -- but what if a starter gives up 3.89 runs every 5 innings (the average IP in Monty's no-decisions)? Does the number change over 9... what am I missing? A "Quality Start" is supposedly 3 earned through 6 IP...
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How about career splits? In the 38 starts he won, he had a 1.45 ERA in 236.2 IP (average 6.2 per start) In the 34 starts he lost, he had a 6.38 in 169.1 IP (almost 5 per start) In 69 no decisions (68 starts), 3.89 in 349 IP (5.1 per start) What these stats may show: in basically 25% of his starts he's 2000 Pedro, in 25% he's 2023 Kluber, and in the other half he's an average guy who might pick up more Ws on a good team or absorb more Ls on a bad club. What they don't measure are the intangibles on the rest of the staff and the attitude in the dugout and clubhouse by adding a pretty good starting pitcher who will take the ball every five days and keep his team in the game around 75% of the time.
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Even 10 can be very significant. If you add Montgomery's 10 wins in '23 to last year's Red Sox, it could mean a World Series -- since Boston would have 88 total wins, and then make the playoffs over the Rangers, who would have four less Ws (that Monty won for them), giving them only 86 totals wins.
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Or a home run. Or one-third of a game's worth of immaculate innings. This ain't celtstalk.com... nor have I stalked a celt, lately. Not while we all wait for Montgomery. "Monty is trying to steal show..." General George S. Patton once said.
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Montgomery was amazing after he got traded by NY to St. Louis at the '22 deadline. In his first six starts he had an ERA of about a buck-and-a-half and a sub-1 WHIP. His teammates must have been really good in those games, too, because his W-L was 5-0. And the Yankees, who had the greatest team in the history of the first half of that season, looked pretty dumb... especially when they got swept in four straight by Houston in the LCS.
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I'm not a pitcher, but have to give them more credit than any teammate of any team win. A starting pitcher who gets through five innings with the lead induces opposing batters into making 15 outs. Maybe he has a great defense behind him that catches line drives and gappers and turns DPs every frame. But the fact is, if a starter keeps his club in the game by throwing 50 pitches on average, he touches the ball 50 times when play is in session, and the ball is "live." As an outfielder, I might touch a live ball once an inning (sometimes nonce). In those five innings, I may bat twice. Even if I make one nice running catch, or on O score and/or drive in runs, the pitcher has done more to earn the W than I have...
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A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
How cardboard of you. But I have to say, I liked them better when they were horizontal, than on my radiation screen. -
A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Nothing Sale does on the mound should surprise anyone -- but it will be very ironic if this over-30 slinger ever stays healthy for his first full season since... when... 2017? -
The Casasesesss keep coming... https://nesn.com/2024/02/red-sox-sluggers-brother-silences-troll-with-long-home-run/
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A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I actually like OPS better to judge pitchers than batters. I want my best hitters hitting and sluggers slugging -- not being overly selective and taking many bases on balls -- because walks can only ever advance baserunners one base at a time. Devers walking all year won't help much if all we have behind him is Story striking out. Of course, we don't want guys flailing out of the zone, but we also know certain hand-eye specialists can consistently blast neck-high fastballs out of the park (see Pedroia, Dustin). -
As a batter, that ruling on bunts always bugged me. If I bunt a guy over, and just jog to first, I'd get credit for a sac bunt and no at bat to hurt my average. But I'm running fast, that must mean I'm trying to beat it out -- like get on base, which is always a batter's duty -- so, sorry: no sac for you... and an AB against my BA.
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Nice recap. I think most Sox fans would take a JBJ career from Rafaela (though not as many on this forum). I've never seen any outfielder better at getting jumps than Jogging Jackie (when his pursuit after a fly went into a jog -- no matter where the ball was -- it meant he had a bead on it). But my sense is that Ceddanne has more potential for all-around impact on offense.
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A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
The era of openers necessitates a change in how wins are awarded to pitchers on victorious teams. How many starters even finish five innings with a lead these days? Maybe a stat man can dig that up, but I'd wager the number is less than half from 50 years ago (maybe even the turn of this century). But even ERA can be considered unreliable, based on several questionable hits awarded by official scorers on grounders just to Raffy Devers last season. The most valuable stat for modern pitchers seems to be innings pitched... though even that is often out a moundsman's control -- from Dice K to Bearclaw. -
Marv tried blurting, "Screened by the defenseman!" ... but it was too much of a mouthful.
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Decades ago, when I covered NHL hockey, an old scribe sitting next to me in the press box insisted the league should keep track of and list won-loss records of goalies. He argued their value was akin to pitchers in baseball... especially in the playoffs. I noted not all goalie wins are the same, especially when some victors save twice as many (or more) shots on goal than others, depending on the support of his defenders and the firepower of opponents' offense. So... I just looked up the NHL record for most saves in a playoff game. Most ever is by Joonas Korpisalo, Columbus Blue Jackets: 85 saves in 2020. Next is Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers, 2022: 79. Both came in overtime games. Both lost.
