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Average? Lol I remember when I had my first beer. What about OPS? What about defense. Also, do you know what the average average is in MLB? In 2022 it was .243. So he’s effectively and average hitter with a little pop and GG caliber defense in CF and you think 10 million 1 year is an overpay for that????? Again nice job not naming names. A little kid just died from cancer in the last two minutes. You could literally shut all your detractors up by making an actual point and naming names. But you can’t…we all see it dude.

The most ironic thing. The literal NAME of this thread is 2023 free agents. Like….WTF are you even doing in here if you can’t name names.

That’s the thing that gets me the most. I get everyone has different opinions and visions for how to improve but when your only argument is vague statements like “go get a centerfielder” or trade for a “#1 pitcher” without naming names, contracts that make sense, and prospect packages to trading partners that makes sense you’re just talking out of your ass. That’s what I don’t respect. Add those things in and I’ll respect a different opinion. It’s like some fans act like the rest of MLB exists for our amusement. We can just go down to the CFer store and go get a good centerfielder for a price that works for us. This ain’t “name your price” lol. Or we can trade away our garbage to a team who will willingly give us away their top young pitchers. It’s no wonder these people get angry when trades are actually made and free agents are actually signed. Despite their wishes to do so it’s always “too high” a price because they have zero concept what it actually takes to build a team. Remember this. I’m calling it now. No matter who the Sox sign or trade for this off-season, they are going to hate it and complain about it. Now I expect some generic rebuttal about is being on Blooms nuts. Like yeah, we haven’t critiqued him as much as others in here, but a lot of people who have defended Bloom have also criticized him too. It’s not a zero sum game. At least we can say that.

That’s $100 dollars that could go towards curing cancer in children. Or wounded warriors. Make the world a better place and put me in my place.

Dude I’m sorry, but this has got to be the dumbest f***ing comment ever. Your whole point is on the opinion that his 2023 will reflect his 2022. When has he sucked before? He’s really only had ONE down season since he was 23 and before then he was young and still developing. If he’s fully recovered he’s worth way more than 10 million. What player, on the free agent market can play the outfield hasn’t had ONE bad season. Or had one injury riddled season. Name one? I dare you. Name one who won’t cost more than double KIKEs contract and I’ll donate $100 to a charity of your choice. And the whole “guess it is for you” no it’s isn’t for me. Don’t put words in my mouth that are based on YOUR opinion. My opinion is, it’s more likely than not Kike plays better in 2023 and is worth 10 million. Have you seen the 2023 FA market in the outfield. You know we needed a CF and a RF. Who do you sign to “make the team better” I bet you can’t answer that question.

You don't even know what the numbers are. What is your rotation next year? and what do you sign the guys for?

If Kike is healthy, 10 million is a steal, it's also a one year deal, I also think they may have looked at the free agent market in the outfield this offseason and saw value in locking him up early.

Kike was injured this year, if he comes back and performs like he did in 2021.......how are the Red Sox not better?

I disagree for two reasons. A.) Two more years of team control is big deal, especially for a high-end player in his Prime. B.) This is even more important, guys who sign earlier always take a little less money for security. A lot can happen in three years. Guys can decline, guys can get injured and never fully recover. The mindset and reasoning for accepting a deal before a player hits free agency is always on the basis of taking less money sooner to guarantee a payday. Guys who have the mindset of betting on themselves, and have agents who convey these wishes either take them to free agency or only sign when the team pays the "buy now price". It's easy to see why the best of the best of the best athletes in the world at their sports might have this mindset. The fact that Riley took the money three years before arbitration is all the ancedotal evidence we need to suggest he was willing to take under market value to guarantee a payday. Devers chose to bet on himself. With that said. I would agree that the Riley deal is a perfect example of what a Devers extension should have looked like up until last season. It's actually a great example, so Kudo to Red on that one. I'm saying it's apples to Oranges because Devers is choosing to go to free agency and will get offered much more. If Devers was willing to sign an early extension I would agree, but it's blatantly obvious he chose to bet on himself. There's nothing wrong with players who do this, and there's nothing wrong with those who take the money.

One thing to constantly take into consideration is guys who go to free agency and choose to go there are seeking and baring underperformance and injury ALWAYS expect and get more money. Guys take less money early in their careers to take the guaranteed payday while others bank on themselves. Riley's contract refects that and ended up buying out many of his team-controlled years. So it's a poor comparison. What would Riley get if he maintained his level of play and hit the free market?

He cares!!!! Red Cares! See everyone can change. If I can change, and you can change….then we can all change!!!

Pitchers have injuries all the time, all players have injuries throughout their career. How many injuries does DeGrome have and he’s going to get 40 million per. Eovaldi is 32, Verlander is going to get 40 million plus and he’s going to be 40. This is the price of admission Red. Now, I’m reference to your post above. Budgets matter, but window matters too. The Sox need starters, how much do you think they cost? Also, if Nate rejects, they’re not paying him 20, you assume he accepts. Also we don’t know if the Sox plan on resetting this year or next. I’ve speculated it’s this year but I could be wrong. If it’s next year then one year means nothing. They can go 50 million over if it’s all on one year deals. This is the power in short term contracts, it gives you more opportunity to reset.

Let’s also throw some rational out into the universe. If 2021 has nothing to do with 2023, neither does 2022. Except they do.

People do realize that any pitcher on the FA market that’s going to upgrade this rotation is going to come with an AAV price tag of 20 million plus, right? I’d rather take it on one year than 4-5. Someone is going to give Degrome 40 million per year and he’s in his mid 30’s. Could work out great, could work out worse than Chris Sales extension.

It’s for one year. There’s extreme value in one year contracts. There’s a reason why you see all over baseball teams willing to give higher AAV to get a guy for less years. Also, we’re t you the dude literally going on page for page about not giving a hoot about money and budgets? Now you care?

He’s still in his early 30’s. I thought I read somewhere Eovaldi didn’t have a normal Off-season last year. Maybe that’s what led to his lower back injury, before that he looked great. With a normal offseason he could easily return to form. Sox know his medical position more than any of us and they were comfortable extending him a QO. Everything always comes down to price tag, if Eovaldi can get 4/65 I probably walk away. But if the price tags is 3/45. Sign me up.

You literally just made the argument for why they traded Mookie Betts

And might I add, who is? The top pitcher on the market comes with his own ambulance and he’s going to get 40 million per year. By comparison Nate is archetype of good health, on this years market. He’s still only 32, which isn’t terribly young but for someone who has shown he can recover well from injury and otherwise been relatively consistent I think it makes him overall a good decision to QO

Then how can you possibly be upset the Sox didn’t extend him?

To reiterate my last comment. The Sox will need a combination of smart additions and good luck to fix the rotation

If what you say is true, adding one guy doesn’t fix that, adding two takes up most of your budget and probably destroys your ability resign bogey and Devers MAYBE bogey, unless you’re adding cheaper guys in the mode of hill and Wacha. Those are the types of moves people seem to hate out of Bloom. They want the big splash. BTW, I don’t disagree. I think the rotation is thin and carry’s injury risk.

I actually wouldn’t mind if Nathan rejects the QO. Go out and find two 15 mil types and net a pick. Conversely there’s a real good chance the QO kills his market and the Sox can get him at a lower AAV for the next three years. They need starters after 2023 too.

The Red Sox are top spenders everything single year for the last two and a half decades. They go right up against or over the cap every year. There’s zero chance they don’t spend at least 90 million this offseason. There is a plethora of SS talent with a big 4, and a position the Sox have a huge hole at. I think it’s a bad bet to assume the Sox aren’t very likely to sign one of those guys.

The Angles say no because why on earth would they trace Ohtani for an MLB asset. Betts got you a prospect of similar value to Yorke and 5 years of a good mlb player. And Ohtani is better, why would LA take less?

Yeah I don’t like the 12 year contract, even 10 I’m weary about. The only exception I’d make is for a generational player who is willling to sign it by year two and he’s proven. In todays game, given the need to reset the luxury tax line for big teams I think there’s value in paying a little more AAV for less years. There’s a reason why you’re seeing more of that.