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One of the advantages to that lefty heavy lineup is it challenges bullpens. Cool, bring out your lefty reliever for an inning and burn him up. Good luck getting Verdugo, Duran, and Yoshida out, now you need a new reliever in the next inning to face Ohtani, Devers, and Casas.
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Yeah, my phone and desktop computer all log me in automatically and I always forget I have the two accounts. I mean hey, it's not exactly like I'm trying to hide with names like that. But congratulations on having an amazingly awesome middle name, you just became my favorite poster not first named Hugh.
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He's not a great fit for 2024, but he's a good fit long term. There's no way the best player in baseball can't fit on your team. Also, the argument against Ohtani that Moon makes (and I have too recently) is that he's a lefty and we need a righty bat to replace Turner as DH. OKAY,but he's still OHTANI, he still hits LHP as good if not better than most RHB. Turner had a 2023/career OPS vs. LHP of .900/.826 VS. Ohtani of .898/.831 Ohtani is literally just as good as Turner vs. LHP so he does replace him, and then he's a massive upgrade from the left side. I'm not for Ohtani, but I'm not going to pretend like there isn't a massive argument for signing him. He makes sense.
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This is baseball not football. Most of the money is guaranteed. We can leave the children out of it but I’ll challenge you on this friendly gamble.
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And, they were much bigger injury risks before their seasons this year with multiple injuries where Ohtani has had one surgery, and in todays game it's become assumed that every starting pitcher who pitches long enough is going to have major surgery at some point. Obviously, I'm sure this is not 100% true but the sentiment is. Just because Ohtani got hurt doesn't mean his value from a pitcher went down from 250 million to 0. Factor in his bat, and marketable name and $500 million seems like a no brainer.
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I think you're vastly underestimating how much he will still make because he is literally a once-in-a-100-year talent. Top-tier pitchers, even with MASSIVE concerns are still get paid 30 million plus a year. DeGrome, Rodon etc etc etc. Also, they had an extensive history of multiple injuries. COnveibly Ohtani comes back fine and pitches like an ACE for another 5-6 years+ If put 30 executives in a room and have them bid on Ohtani, someone is throwing him 500, and if he doesn't get 500 it's because he got like 485 with an opt out after 3 years or something. I will literally wager my first born children on Ohtani making bank.
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That's why you lock him up now, he's not going to cost a lot of money, that's the risk that gets spread out between both sides. You can lock him up dirt cheap, throw a few million at him and buy out a couple years past his arby
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The guy is going to be a pitcher in 2025, and was arguably the best pitcher in baseball. He's Ohtani, just the name alone is worth millions of dollars. Ohtani is getting 500 million.
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Because he's Ohtani and he's a generational talent. He's still one of the best players in the league if all he can do is hit, and yes he had elbow surgery but guys recover and someone is going to spend the money on him. 500 million at tens years is 50 million a year. If Aaron Judge can get 40 million a year Ohtani can get 50+ and I'd be perfectly comfortable wagering my first born children on that prediction.
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A lot of people, if anything Ohtani is ONLY getting $500 million now.
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If all it took was 30 million a year to sign Ohtani we'd be dumb to not sign him long term, even if he is just a hitter. But he's getting 45-50 per year plus.
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To me, Abreu and DUran don't strike me as the type you lock up. I think they will be good in peak years and you will get their best years on team control. Look to lock up high-end talent, like Bello and Casas. Names like Abreu and Rafaela don't even belong in the same conversation as those two right now.
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Even then, it's not like the 2nd base market is impressing anyone.
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Ohtani might be a generational talent, but he's probably our last need on earth right now. He's a left handed hitting DH, at least in 2024. He will pitch again in 2025, and might not handle a full season's workload again until 2026 when he will be in his 30's. What if he's not the same pitcher? He's going to get $500 million still. So you're spending 50 million a year for a guy who won't even pitch for you next year. FOr less money you can literally have Nola and Yama+++++
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No, it's not, but you're a lot closer to the problem going out and signing a second baseman than you are signing a 3B or a 1B.
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Running the Boston Red Sox has still got to be one of the more lucrative jobs out there in the sports world. I wouldn't worry about people not wanting to come here.
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If they're looking at adding infielders they would be looking up the middle
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Yama/Nola or bust
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If Sale finished top 10 in CY YOUNG voting would he even exercise his option?
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Yeah, that's why I'm not trading for Mike Trout, unless say by some miracle the Angels really like Nick Yorke, that I'd be ok with. I'd be on board with a subsidized Mike Trout for Nick Yorke, but LA likely would not be. If LA trades him, the franchise might best be served taking whatever salary relief they can get. They're not very good from farm to big league club.
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Is a team like LAA really in a position to eat a large chunk of that contract to have him play elsewhere? Even they were willing to do that, I don't think they can do it without getting a premium prospect in return. They're going to want Mayer, or Anthony plus. The thing about Trout is, maybe he's hit a wall. Maybe he's fine and healthy and considered the best player to ever play the game in 10 years or maybe he's just that really really really good player that just falls off a cliff after his 20's. If the Angels were willing to eat half the money and the prospects were reasonable, I think you HAVE to consider trading for Trout. I just don't see the Angels getting the return they want for him. They might be better off with him, if he has a good year next year his market value will rise substantially.
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I don't disagree at all, and unless Henry channels his inner Cohen (spoiler alert, he won't) we will have to expect this team to have to make choices. It seems like a much more reasonable bet to spend on upgrading the pitching. Internally, there's more hope in the offense growing from what you got than the pitching internally, although I think the Boston bullpen would become much stronger by moving some of our starters there by going out and getting SP1 and SP3 in the open market. There's just not really any good RHB in this year's free agent class.
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Not just that but we are going to want premium bats elsewhere. 2B? DH? That's just not an outfield that should be planned for at this point in time.
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Yeah, I'm all about the youth movement, but it's not like any of those guys are All star MVP caliber potential, and it's just too many eggs in one basket for me. A good team needs balance of proven talent that is a veteran presence and young, gifted athletes playing at the min. If next year was a rebuilding year with no aspirations of competing, that outfield could work to see what you got. And, the 2025 FA is loaded with pitching too. Could make sense to load up that year with Mayer and Anthony looking to break thru to the bigs. But, I'm not sure anyone can stomach a non-compete thrown away year at this point. Maybe not even John Henry.