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Color me skeptical when it comes to resetting. I don't think we'll get below the tax line. But we still should show some fiscal constraint. On one hand we complain about lack of farm, but we're quick to propose trading away young talent. Farm system exists solely for the pleasure of major league team, I get it. Sox are now in a different space. DD took the job on the heels of two last place finishes. He had one mandate and that was to do whatever it takes to get the team out of the gutter. He over spent on Price. He traded away valuable pieces to shore up the roster, Kimbrel and Pom comes to mind. 3 straight division titles and 1 world series championship. Let that sink in. I agree with Moon in that we probably paid too much for Price, gave away too much talent for both Kimbrel and Pom. But those moves I think had to be made. But now? I'm just opposed to trading away young players anymore. Especially our top ten prospects.
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Why trade away Chavis? Won't we need a 1B in 2020?
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Moon, just stop and move on. "Hide profits legally".....you mean by legit expenses? You're talking non sense. "Hiding profts legally = less profit" JBJ has tendency to hide his batting average legally by getting less hits. Got it.
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Hopefully he meant all businesses want to keep their tax liability to minimum, legally.
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I live in Midwest. Only blow back I get for being a Red Sox fan is team's geographical association with the Patriots. Pretty much everyone hates Patriots outside of New England. I always have to explain I became a Sox fan back in 1967 and I have never been a Patriots fan. I don't dislike the team like so many do. Just not a fan.
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Over the next three years, Yankees will have 9,12 and 13 arbitration eligible players. They are no different than the Sox. Their payroll will expand. Can we just quit bickering with the lone Yankee fan on this board? They are the greatest team ever assembled on paper. I will concede. As you profoundly stated, it's not like our closer is going to blow every game he enters. Teams with lead going into ninth inning usually wins.
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Sorry but I'll put my faith in Cora's decision to go with Vaz during the playoffs as opposed to what the fans think.
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Machado, personality aside, is a nice player. He's averaged around 36 homers over the past four years. But does his stats warrant a 10 year $300M deal? I just don't see it. What's his upside? Some players mature early and play well in early years. That does not mean they will continue to ascend. On positional side, I see Trout and Betts deserving that kind of money. Not to say I'd pay for it. And can they really get that much better over the next ten years? I seriously doubt it.
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Excitement? Hell we signed Eovaldi and Pearce. That was pretty exciting. I have good feeling about those two.
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This offer ($25M average annual value) for Machado, who is 26 and has a career .905 OPS, represents a continued issue with free agency. Ownership is showing an unwillingness to pay the top free agents what they deserve for a second straight year. Per Christopher Smith at MasaLive Do sportswriters take Economics class? Market value is where buyer and seller agrees to a price. It DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK YOUR HOUSE IS WORTH. IT ONLY MATTERS WHAT BUYERS ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR YOUR HOUSE. What you deserve has nothing to do with what you may get.
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I want both JD and Sale to remain with the Sox. That said, JD was only a money transaction. He gave us what we paid for. Sale in my opinion is little different. We gave up Moncada (and don't forget the matching fee that we paid for him) and Kopech. It's difficult for me to see DD simply letting Sale walk away. I would argue that DD has more vested in Sale than JD.
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Yep...Perhaps Rays ownership has it right.
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I'm not sure if there's a collusion. It's more like Economics 101. 10 year, $350M deals are very risky. Think what we can buy with Pablo's $17M.
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I guess you missed the part where I said $40M over the tax limit becomes the HARD CAP for the Sox. Pay perpetual $23M penalty until new CBA comes into play. Even at $40M above the limit, we can't keep everyone.
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"Then, maybe in 2021, we go back to $39M over and fill the biggest gaps." What to reset again in 3 years?
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I doubt Henry is going to destroy a contending team for money he can afford.
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Couple of years ago, there was an article about the financial impact of Yankees making the playoffs. I remember a number close to $50M for hosting the playoffs. My point is $23M in penalties will be offset by additional revenue generated from the playoffs. My guess is Henry has more than enough money. What will be his legacy? "His estimated new worth was $1.5B at the time of his death" or "Greatest Red Sox owner, beloved by millions for bringing 10 World Series Championships to Fenway faithfuls"..... I close with a quote from Steve Wonder, when told his home was 'modest'. "No matter how much money you have, you can only eat three meals a day." He maybe blind, but he's very wise.
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f I were flow charting my first question is do you think we'll reset? Honestly? I'd say no. I think at some point $40M over the threshhold becomes our 'hard cap'. That means Henry is willing to spend $23M in penalties. This will be true as long as we're getting into the playoffs Not sure where you are coming from...I clearly said NO RESET.
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All of our discussion has to include financial aspect of it. To simply throw out that we need a closer makes no sense. Yes, f***ing genius, we need a closer. Is that likely based on what DD has been saying? That we're not looking to spend big money on a closer? If I were flow charting my first question is do you think we'll reset? Honestly? I'd say no. I think at some point $40M over the threshhold becomes our 'hard cap'. That means Henry is willing to spend $23M in penalties. This will be true as long as we're getting into the playoffs. If I'm Henry, there's no excuse for not getting to the playoffs while spending $40M over the limit? My reaction would be WTF? $250M and we can't buy a playoff spot? With that in mind, we can re-sign most of our players. Not all mind you. Also by the time Beni and Devers become FA, Price/Eovaldi contracts will expire. We need productive farm. I'm against trading away young players for bullpen help.
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Follow up... Realistically, you only need additional $30M to extend both Betts and Price. That would put their payroll at $35M and $30M. You can accomplish that with Pablo, Moreland and Pearce money. You can use Nunez' $5M to extend JD. You can use Porcello's $20M and Xander's $12M to cover arbitration raises. Maybe use some of that money to sign Pearce to another one year deal. Under this scenario, you still have Price, Sale, E Rod and Eovaldi as starters. Everyone will be back with Pearce filling in at 1B for one more year. We'll need a shortstop and a fifth starter. We can remain $40M under the cap. That will cost us another $23M in penalties but Henry can afford it. We'd still be competitive in 2020.
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Interesting thing about Betts extension would be how much of the 'house' he wants occupy and what it means for competitiveness of the team after the extension. If you demand $400M over 10 years, can you still expect the team to field a contending team without breaking the bank? Sox are $40M over the luxury tax limit with Betts earning $20M. Biggest ticket item to come maybe re-signing Sale. Can we give both Betts and Sale $20M raises? Do we use Porcello's $20M and JD's $22M to sign both Betts and Sale? What about using Pablo's $17M to extend Xavier? Or what about using Xander and Pablo's money combined to give JD a new deal?
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Not directed at you. But we want it both ways. Build the farm, trade away the farm. Michael Chavis is ranked #1 in Sox Prospect List. And he has no future as a major leaguer in Boston? I guess our farm is worse than I thought.
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I don't want any holes open up to plug another. Everyone here wants rotation depth. Yet they argued against signing Eovaldi. Why would Sox trade Porcello, the workhorse of our staff? I would rather go with Brasier/Barnes closing than to start to blowing up this team. Make a move at trade deadline. I also don't want to trade away Chavis. We can't give up on a potential regular starter with power for a bullpen help.
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Cot's Baseball is a terrific resource. They had 9 arbitration eligible players at $55.425M. Eye test says it ended up being around$58M at most. (eg projected Betts at $19.5M vs $20.0M final). Not much changes. We're about $35M over the luxury tax limit. Implication is that IF, and that's big f***ing IF, $40M over is Henry's absolute cap, then we only have about $5M to sign a closer without going over the second penalty phase. Most of us agree that we'll go over the $40M overage mark. Bigger question is implication for 2020. Ideally we'd sign Kimbrel for one year $20M and go take a nap.
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Yeah, don't let the facts get in the way.
