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To be honest: I ignore bet offers. I did not mean to be impolite. I don't bet (beyond making investment decisions and other life choices), but I am now curious about your proposal.
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To be precise, I have raised questions but taken no firm position. As I write last weekend: https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/18666-Hanley-DFA%E2%80%99d?p=1145489&highlight=black-and-white#post1145489 I still hope to find a definitive answer but posters should feel free to ignore this forum discussion if the issue is of no interest.
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I understand that some posters are not interested in the minutiae of employee law. But others apparently are.
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A team seeking to sign Hanley Ramirez would likely draft a contract that frees the club from any obligation for the vesting option. Ramirez and his agent would decide whether to accept the terms.
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From the Gloucester Daily Times: http://www.gloucestertimes.com/sports/national_sports/mason-in-dumping-hanley-ramirez-alex-cora-affirms-that-these/article_a3d8e65e-59cb-5943-a83e-b3c2374db9a2.html
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Have a great time at the game, moon!
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As suggested, has Bellhorn04 emailed Alex Speier regarding the status of the vesting option? I've emailed the Wasserman agency that represents Hanley Ramirez but don't anticipate a response.
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Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?
harmony replied to StephenCurry30's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Since the trade Mark Melancon has posted 9.4 bWAR with three All Star appearances, leading the National League with 51 saves in 2015, while Brock Holt has posted 6.1 bWAR. -
Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?
harmony replied to StephenCurry30's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
The Boston Red Sox traded Ivan De Jesus, Mark Melancon, Stolmy Pimentel and Jerry Sands to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Joel Hanrahan and Brock Holt. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hanrajo01.shtml#all_transactions_other -
And other people question. Such as an attorney. Or a former newspaper journalist. Or a former journalism professor.
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:D The world is full of people who believe everything reported in the media.
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I hold Alex Speier in high regard but would prefer that he cite the specific provision that extinguishes the vesting option instead of reporting a mere conclusion.
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No offense but I prefer a more authoritative source than "we.":) Perhaps the Red Sox contracts specifically extinguishes the vesting option if the club releases Hanley Ramirez. Or not.
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Despite playing on a first-place team in the 2017 and 2018 seasons, Hanley Ramirez was good enough to be on pace to accumulate the 1,050 plate appearances needed to vest the 2019 option. The Red Sox clearly have the authority to release any player but lack the authority to escape their contractual obligations, such as the balance of the guaranteed 2018 salary of $22 million. Hanley Ramirez has a contract that says the 2019 option will vest with 1,050 plate appearances in 2017-18. If Ramirez attains that milestone with another team, what happens with the vesting option? Will teams shy away from Ramirez out of fear the option will vest? If a new contract with another team does not extinguish the 2018 salary obligation, how can the new contract extinguish the vesting option? I raise the questions but have not found definitive answers.
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If the signing team is confident that the club is not on the hook for the vesting option.
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USA Today baseball writer Bob Nightengale predicts that Jed Lowrie could return to the Red Sox before the trade deadline: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/05/29/mlb-trade-deadline-manny-machado-josh-donaldson-cole-hamels-rumors/650523002/ I doubt it.
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Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?
harmony replied to StephenCurry30's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
For the 2000 Pawtucket Red Sox, David Eckstein played 115 games at second base and one game at shortstop: https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=eckste001dav The trivia I don't remember and need to look up. -
The Red Sox sign Adam Lind to a minor league contract:
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To date the Red Sox starters rank second in the American League in fWAR: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=al&qual=0&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
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jad is correct:
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Because Hanley Ramirez will get his $22 million this year regardless.
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Of course Hanley Ramirez could be released but the player, as Pablo Sandoval can attest, can still claim the agreed-upon benefits under the contract. One could argue the intent of the vesting option as Ramirez signed with the Red Sox coming off two injury-shortened seasons: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ramirha01.shtml Over the Monster posted this column only 31 days before the Red Sox designated Ramirez for assignment: https://www.overthemonster.com/2018/4/24/17274604/hanley-ramirez-cleans-away-the-doubts-ken-rosenthal-pablo-sandoval-tripe The vesting option was a topic of discussion last offseason: https://www.overthemonster.com/2017/11/8/16621420/hanley-ramirez-vesting-option-red-sox-lineup https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2017/12/19/hanley-ramirez-contract-trade-rumors
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Perhaps you don’t understand that the Red Sox are on the hook for the roughly $15 million balance on the 2018 salary for Hanley Ramirez (less the prorated league minimum if Ramirez is released and signs with another club).
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I suspect those workers did not have a guaranteed five-year contract. Hanley Ramirez was guaranteed four years. The Red Sox will pay Ramirez for those four years but have effectively denied him the opportunity for the fifth-year option to vest.
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If you want to know what goes into the decision-making of the wheeling-and-dealing general manager of an MLB franchise that has not been to the postseason since 2001, try The Wheelhouse with Jerry Dipoto: http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/fan_forum/podcasts/index.jsp?c_id=sea&podcast=wheelhouse The latest episode covers Seattle's recent trade for Alex Colome and Denard Span (and the role played by a young data analyst who was pitching for MIT a year ago).