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Everything posted by notin
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I don't care if he goes 10-11, as long as the team wins the majority of his starts. As I said before, Lackey's worst W-L record in Boston was in 2013...
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I support anyone who denigrates the pitcher ranking system. And I award double points if they refuse to use or severely question the word "ace"...
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Team wins and losses matter. Pitcher wins and losses really don't...
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Maybe you do, but dgalehouse is citing Montgomery's W-L record and nothing else. And in subsequent posts, supporting that position...
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It should. But some people refuse to be objective about it. 10 game winner Jordan Montgomery is considered to be an insufficient addition to the Sox by the Old School. But 10 game winner Corbin Burnes went to Baltimore and suddenly became a division changer per the same Old School. And sure, it's one year of Burnes. After all, he has won as many as 12 games in a season, a career high less than that of Martin Perez...
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6 more wins gets them to 84. Hey, that win total can get you to a World Series...
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Gee, on the other thread you were all about wins. Apparently those only matter for pitchers and not for teams...
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Or trade Brayan Bello (14-19) for Martin Perez (22-12).
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Pitcher W-L record has been devalued by the prominence in the bullpen in the game today. Starters rarely go beyond 6 innings anymore, and far too many games are decided beyond that point. Using pitcher wins is almost like evaluating hitters not only solely on batting average, but rather solely on batting average in the first 3 innings...
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The argument is about the importance of W-L record. Bellhorn calls it the spread. Or you can look at winning pct. Either way, it is a weak assessment of pitcher ability...
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17 in each 2021 and 2022. Montgomery himself was credited with 15 wins in that timeframe. His teams went 34-28 in his starts...
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Let's look at John Lackey 2010: 14-11 4.40 ERA 2011: 12-12 6.41 ERA 2012: Injured 2013: 10-13 3.52 ERA 2014: 11-7 3.60 ERA (Boston only) The year Lackey was so important to that World Series championship was also the year he won the fewest games for Boston...
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First of all, I assume whoever would be there in lieu of Montgomery would not be worth 0.0 fWAR. I certainly hope not. Even Houck was worth 1.2 fWAR in 21 starts. But also I think Bello and Crawford can both improve on their performance from last year. I could see at least 80 wins without Montgomery.
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Since the creation of the central divisions, only 4 teams have finished last with 78 wins or more. The Red Sox have done it 3 times. So, yes, they are not horrible. But if you are going to play in a tough division like the AL East currently is, then you do need to step it up if you want to be competitive. You simply cannot wait for the rest of the division to come down and meet you and limbo under your .500-ish performance...
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As there are not many guesses. A. Hall of Famer Jim Kaat B. Jamie Moyer C. Hall of Famer Jack Morris D. Hall of Famer Red Ruffing E. Hall of Famer Vic Wilis F. Hall of Famer Red Faber. Moyer again, but pitchers like Pettitte, Tommy John, or Curt Schilling have a groundswell of support for being egregious omissions from Cooperstown. No one has ever even tried to make a case for Moyer in Cooperstown, despite his being 35th all time in wins…
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288 wins 231 losses (.555)
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If the Sox sign Montgomery, I’m going 85+. Granted injuries could derail that, and do so significantly…
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C is Hall of Famer Jack Morris. Best record percentage wise in the list, but no easy path to Cooperstown when pen hit ballot…
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I’ve been saying that for years. My parents told me when I was a little baby, my first sentence was “no one knows what an ace is.” They agreed by blowing in my belly button, which was acceptable to me at that time in my life…
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You can just pick the letter. Pettitte is not among those 6 pitchers…
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Which W-L record is for a pitcher NOT in Cooperstown? A. 288-237 (.544) B. 269-209 (.563) C. 254-186 (.577) D. 273-225 (.548) E. 249-205 (.548) F. 254-213 (.544)
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You’re already at 80? Even before Montgomery? Welcome to Optimism!
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Extending Betts should have been done early. Free agency is largely about PR. Betts should have never reached free agency. (And he never did.) Montgomery does move the needle as an improvement. I could also see passing on him because there are numerous other pitchers who can move it more. Or are candidates to move it more…
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If you think wins are a good pitching stat, know that Jamie Moyer has more of them than some 40 Hall of Fame starting pitchers. He has 50 more than Pedro…
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This one almost feels like straight PR at this point. Montgomery isn’t a franchise-altering pitcher; he’s a good pitcher who has the good fortune to reach free agency in a season where he was a Top Three option at his position. If they pass, hopefully it’s because they don’t think Montgomery is the guy and not because they have some blanket policy about paying nine figure deals to free agent starting pitchers…
