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Trading Betts is among those things that is easier said than done. Using baseballtradevalues, the Sox could supposedly trade Betts to Atlanta for Foltyinewicz, Toussaint and Camargo. This is one of those “hey it fills holes on paper and actually works for both sides” deals, but then, it might suck for Boston. Not like those three are killing it this year. Another deal that works out the same way is Price to the Cubs for Heyward, which alleviates the financial logjam in the rotation and replaces Betts’ defense in RF. And the Cubs can reunite Price with Madden. But while the Cubs certainly want to move Heyward and do need pitching, it doesn’t mean they would make this trade...
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And is also over 20 starts for the second time in the last 5 years. He is a legitimate injury concern...
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The annual Jackie Bradley Jr thread (2019 Edition)
notin replied to Station 13's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
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The attitude of “we don’t need to improve the offense and we can’t improve the pitching” is why DD needs to be fired...
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Trade Betts. Non-tender JBJ. Bring no one back. (Talking about potential free agents, of course.)
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Rather have a retool than a rebuild. Might take a gutsy move like dealing Betts - or maybe a gutsier one like dealing Devers - but I want the Sox to be competitive again in 2020....
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Oh I’m fairly certain I’ve come close to getting booted off here:) And I’ve been booted off every Yankee forum I’ve joined for setting realistic baseball talk as opposed to the vernacular of Bronx Bomber Conspiracy Theories and Pinstriped Fellatio...
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He’s fine but he does see the world through pin-striped glasses And no Red Sox forum is complete without a Yankee fan or two...
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Get on it DD. What do you have to lose? https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/08/braves-release-luiz-gohara.html
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It’s ok to say the deals were justified by the success. But trying to convince yourself all the Sox gave up we’re overhyped non-contributors, that’s just denial. Manny Margot is having a good year and recently started hot hitting. He isn’t 25 yet. Yoan Moncada was a questionable omission from the All Star game at 24. Logan Allen was a top 100 prospect this year who has since been promoted to the majors. Kopech, injures and all, is still largely a top 25 prospect on most lists, if not all. We did give up a lot. We got a lot. That’s how it’s supposed to work. No need for the denial...
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And I get he didn’t have the same resources. Limited budget. No farm. But he’s been a GM for a long time. Certainly this has come up before in his career at some point. He must have some experience to draw from...
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That’s a tough plan to rely on. But there were dozens of opportunities before then that were also bypassed. Anthony Bass opted out in Cincy. Trevor Rosenthal was released in Washington. Both went to non-contenders and are actually doing well. Where was Dombrowski? I’m sure I could find other names as well beyond these two examples from the top of my head...
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The 2008 Red Sox made a massive in-season move. Manny Ramirez for Jason Bay?
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It’s not the offense anyone worries about.
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Well I don’t mind not winning and not being competitive as much as I mind the complacency. Trying and failing is acceptable. Idly sitting back and hoping for the same results is not...
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It’s ok to be built on SP, but that doesn’t justify ignoring the bullpen. Since the WS, the Sox have lost Kimbrel and Kelly from the bullpen and the only relievers added since were Brewer and Taylor. I like that he went out for a bunch of minor league FA, but that has amounted to 0 IP in Boston this year. And as I’ve been saying way too often, I don’t get why he ignored the bullpen with his limited resources to focus on backup 1b. I didn’t know at the time how little financial wiggle room he had, but I very hope he knew...
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While what happens is out of control, that doesn’t make sitting idly by the best course of action, does it? And I haven’t once mentioned the wisdom in letting the back end of the bullpen walk only to replace them with a 26yo career minor leaguer, all while spending the limited budget on a backup 1b and a SP with a long history of injuries (who, notably, has been injured nearly all season)...
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Yes, if we had more games where we outscored the opposition, our record would be better. After 2013, Ben Cherington did nothing and went from First to Worst. After 2018, Dombrowski did nothing include learn the lesson from Cherington. Acceptable?
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Well how did he try to improve it? It’s been bad all year, has he taken any steps? Did he follow through on anything? Or do you think “live or die with Plan A” is the right course of action here?
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I was going to use it, too. I think we both agree I’m not above that type of behavior...
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I remember not so long ago, Yankee fans used to boast about how any season without a title was a waste of time. Now the goal is to stay competitive?
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Disagree. A man I used to work with (he retired) summed up the need for progress even when you’re on top so eloquently - “ if you stand still, you’re roadkill.” DD stood still since November, by his own choice...
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He didn’t trade anyone except Swihart. Have we reached the point with DD where we say his best moves are NOT trading pre-arbitration former top prospects?
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Right. Porcello would be much more soothing...
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What did Dombrowski do to Devers?
