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What any of us want to spend never mattered anyway. But not being able to afford Travis Shaw is not a good sign. They might lose casual fans. But teams that aren’t winning always lose casual fans. If the team wins, they’ll come back...
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Why not Eric Thames after we Dump Price ?
notin replied to Swiharts Ghost's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Mostly because we couldn’t afford Travis Shaw. If the Sox add a LHH 1b, it might wind up being Greg Bird (ugh)... -
Sure, removing salary in order to get under the luxury tax limit is beyond a rumor at this point. It’s a goal, not a mandate, except that it was apparently a mandate. I would agree dealing Price in the end won’t do much to this goal...
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Yeah but it’s a different perspective. They’re buying. We’re dumping/selling...
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Wouldn’t be the first time. The Urias-Davies trade earlier this off-season was about as off as they’ve had...
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Does anyone else want to pay Price $96mill over 3 years?
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Unfortunately - and I like an active off-season, too - it looks like he is trying to do the "Win while spending less" strategy. That means that he has to unload saalry and either 1) get rid of a big chunk of money while getting nothing back or 2) unload high saalries and get a decent prospect or two. So far, Bloom is reportedly trying option 2 with David Price, but no one wants Price. Not even under option 1. And that is a big reason he has not done much. MLBTR reported he had to bow out of the Travis Shaw negotiations because they were too pricey at $4mill. $4mill!??!?!?! Mu guess would be it simply is not worth it to deal Price and Bloom has to deal Mookie...
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They were. But then so were the Dodger-Lindor rumors...
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When was the last interesting off-season?
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No it won’t. Unless the Sox deal Bradley without taking money back.
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The bullpen wasn’t a huge problem last year given what they were asked to do, but the one guy who bothered me was Barnes and his complete ineffectiveness on consecutive days. Workman actually was very effective in the closer role. I have mixed emotions about Chavis, and I actually hope they can get a LHH compliment. But it will probably be limited to Matt Adams or (ugh) Greg Bird due to the budget limits...
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If you only use this off-season, sure. But some of us have been talking about this for months...
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Just basing it on the posts out here. And that I’ve seen these same criticisms before, back in 2012 when Cherington wasn’t allowed to spend. Not to mention every time I hinted at this even before Bloom was hired, I received numerous responses “Why are you trying to save Henry’s money?”
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Rumors might make fans happier, but until they become moves, they’re still nothing. Bloom has been involved in a lot of Price talks per that same rumor mill. Reportedly with the White Sox, Padres, Blue Jays, and Angels. Do these rumors move the needle?
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Let’s say we start the season with Chavis at 1b. And the bullpen has Barnes, Hembree, Walden, Hernandez, Taylor, Workman and two others (Velasquez? Brasier? Brewer? Osich? Weber?). Would those be horrible situations?
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I know it seems like the Sox are lagging, but they aren’t alone. The Dodgers have added Blake Treinen and nothing else. The Reds signaled their all in this year by trading for Bauer last July. Have they made any moves this off-season? Have the Cubs done anything? What about the Astros? Or the Phillies? These teams are all allegedly contenders. It seems like the Braves and Blue Jays have made all the moves...
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That’s why you trade Eovaldi; you need to replace him anyway...
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You mean like Happ had at the same age nearly a decade ago?
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We’ve had other GMs who were brought in for player development, like Dan Duquette. But we also learned that sometimes when those low budget guys do get a budget, they get a bit overwhelmed by it...
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But then you have to replace Price. So taking back $13-18mill isn’t necessarily enough. Price was worth 2.3 fWAR last year, so replacing him would cost roughly what Tanner Roark (2.0 fWAR) got - $12mill AAV. This means the cost of taking back, say, Myers only saves the Sox about $6mill towards the tax - and means we have to watch Myers suck for 3 years. The Sox could do better just trading Barnes for actual (potential?) contributors and make up about half of that....
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Especially for a fan base who only understands spending. It’s unpopular when the GM isn’t allowed to do so...
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That’s why I think Betts is their best bet. If you have to include $60mill to deal Price, it isn’t worth it. Replacing him will cost the remaining $11mill per year. Or more. If you deal Betts, you might not have to pay anything down and might even get back a good (not great, like Betts) player or two back in return...
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If you like living in the past, we’re ok with it. But going back to the Coolidge administration will get you pity...
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It’s actually pretty sad that you have to keep brining up those titles from the 1920s and 30s, considering all the players are long dead. I used to laugh at Bears’ fans, who desperately cling to the ‘85 Bears and their title. Yankee fans make them look less sad...
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Despite the subject matter, I would have put “61*” a lot higher. Even with the horrible casting of Anthony Michael Hall as Whitey Ford...
