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It's like Woo is pitching against WOO.... Oh wait, he IS!

Looks like our offense needs a big bat- like that guy Devers on the Giants! 🤪

Interest in helping SF but not the Sox- you know, the team that signed him to $313M.

Abreu went 1-4 w Woo, today. Fitts finally pitched well (5IP 0ER 2H 0BB 3K) POR lost 1-0, but Early pitched great. 6IP 5H 1ER 0BB 8K. The Sea Dogs got 1 hit. Arias homered and is 2-3 by the 7th. Zanetello has 2 hits. Jh Garcia is 1-4.

Buehler has proved to be yet another bad FA SP'er signing by the Sox. Geesh!

"I'm here to play wherever they want me to play," said Devers. He went on to say... “First of all, I just want to thank the Boston Red Sox organization for signing me at 16 and giving me the opportunity to become a big leaguer,” he said via translator, Giants’ director of Hispanic Communications and Marketing Erwin Higueros. “I’m happy to be here with the San Francisco Giants, obviously happy to represent Latin America, and also happy to be able to meet Barry Bonds.”

This was said at the Devers presser in SF, today, but he could not say this in Boston: “He told us, ‘I’ll play wherever you want me to play, I’ll hit wherever you want me to hit,’” said Melvin. “He’s going to DH today, hit in the three-spot. We’re going to work him in and get him some ground balls at first and make sure he’s comfortable before we put him over there. That’s pretty much the way we’re looking at it right now, a little bit of DH, a little bit of first.”

Good to see you here, Thunder. The line-up tonight has Ref at DH vs a righty, DHam at 2B and 3 rookies 3-4-5 in the line-up. How much this team has changed since just opening day! On opening day, our rotation had Houck, Fitts and Newcomb as 3 of the 5. Casas was at 1B, Wong was our #1 Catcher, and of course Devers was the DH.

...and Schmidt... OPS Against (PAs) .975 Cole (46 most of any pitcher) 1.588 Schmidt (17 is T33rd in PAs)

True. Anthony and Campbell might be 2-3.

Had we traded Casas for Woo or Castillo, we might be in 1st place, even if we had to add a prospect. The idea of forcing Yoshida on them was a good one, and maybe if we offered more money, we might have got to a yes. Woo is at a 3.39 ERA in 13 GS and 82 IP (.623 OPS Against) Castillo is at 3.29 in 14 GS and 79 IP (.700 OPS Against) Both have dropped off after nice starts to 2025. Last 4 weeks: .790 OPSA Woo (5.11 ERA) .809 Castillo (3.52 ERA)

Last 4 Week ERA 2.70 Crochet 33 IP/5 GS 2.89 Bello 28 IP/ 5GS 2.84 Giolito 25 IP/5GS 3.91 Dobbins 23 IP/3GS & 2 as RP 6.14 Buehler 22 IP/ 5GS __________________________ Pen ERAs in order of most IP 0.69 Whitlock 13 IP 2.13 Weissert 13 IP 0.75 Chapman 12 IP 1.86 Wilson 10 IP 6.52 Bernardino 10 IP 4.32 Guerrero 8 IP 2.84 Kelly 6 IP 0.00 Slaten 5 IP (on IL) 1.93 Criswell 5 IP 0.00 Burdi 3 IP (on IL)

Sox ERA in the last 6 games: 1.15 (2.38 FIP) The 6 before this? 6.27 (4.64 FIP) Let's hope this corner we turned is onto a long road.

Yes. The same replacement player, regardless of position, but position does matter when computing a player's WAR.

It may have, but at least Devers would have the winter and spring to prepare. This talk of his willingness to play 1B in SF, if true, really shows that this was all about posturing and making a statement than any real displeasure in actually having to play 1B. If it's true, I'm changing my blame pie chart to over 50% on Devers.

That's what I must have posted dozens of times, this past winter, and more in previous seasons. I also suggested Casas to DH, but that was when we thought Yoshida might be able to be an okay LF'er, and there was no OF logjam. In fact, we were trading for or signing one and done OF'ers from Renfroe to Duvall to O'Neill to "bridge us" to the current jam.

WAR gives positional value as well as defensive value (plus or minus.) DHs are not compared to other DHs in determining the WAR value. We do that. That is one reason DHs and to some extent 1Bmen are rarely WAR leaders, and SSs are often more highly ranked than their offense seems to indicate they should be. Take Bogey, for example, although he has never been a plus defender at SS, he was awarded value for playing such a tough position. On his value page for his career, these are his totals: +149 Offense (+122 hitting and +27 Baserunning) +35 Defense (-28 Fielding, but +62 "Positional")

I do wonder if I'm reaching for reasons to not be so upset about losing our best hitter, but I think there was more going on in the clubhouse that was not good, than we know of. I'm glad we got something for Devers, and we don't have to pay a penny. The Hicks deal is a little costly, but not by enough to think badly about the contract. If JH tightens the purse, again, we will back as square one, again, but I'm not as doubtful as I was when the last few winters began. I'm thinking we may even see a deadline deal or two that costs JH some cash. I'm not talking James Paxton, Luis Garcia and Lucas Sims cash, here.

I'm fine with Wong as the back-up, too. I'm hopeful Jo Garcia can stick at catcher and be our back-up in 2-3 years.

I'm encouraged by the minor league numbers by Narvaez, as well. Not great, but pretty damn good for a catcher, at least. OBP: .382 (.371 in AAA) SLG: .382 (but he improved to .400 in AAA and .451 in AA) In 627 AAA ABs, he hit 21 HRs and 33 2Bs. A MLB .350 OBP w 20 Hrs and 30 2Bs would be fantastic! His defense looks awesome!

Good post. Note: Spotrac has us right at the tax line, cots has us $3M under, soxprospects.com's podcast has us still being over the line. This is a change from previous years, even after the Devers salary dump trade.

We'll find out if and how we spend the "savings," hopefully this coming deadline and winter, but also over the next 8 years. It will be hard to pinpoint just what deals are made with the savings, but I do think the idea is that money spent on non DHs are likely to have better outcomes. With our record on spending on big ticket players being so poor since DD left, I can understand the reluctance to buy into this sort of talk, but then again, why do we assume spending $313M/10 on Devers was going to work out well, too? So far, it was, but this was year 1.4 into a 10 year deal on a FT DH. I mean, what could go wrong, right? Time will tell. We lost our best bat. Our Yankee killer. Our RBI king. That cannot be fixed in a year, if ever. We gained some with the farm (Tibbs & J Bello) and the pen (Hicks,) and maybe found a decent SP'er or pen ore help (Harrison). We are not so lefty-centric in our line-up, but we are also not good hitter-centric, either. (This is not a plus.) We may have gotten younger, but Devers was still in his early prime years. While getting out of the last 8 years of a 10 year deal might look good, historically and in the long term, there were still 2-3 years of peak prime left and another 2-3 years of decent post prime years likely to be seen. We made some immediate room for a rookie to play more. That rookie cannot be expected to immediately replace Devers' bat, nor ever replace it, fully or maybe in any significant proportion. The big plus has to come from how Brez spends the money (not if he spends it.) We may get something from the return players and prospects, but the bulk has to come from the FAs we sign or the big ticket players we can afford to trade for. The fact that this is all in the future and speculative, makes us go right back to the waiting game, once again. Some of us thought we had just gotten over that 5-6 year phase. Now, we are back to square one with perhaps a bit more hope in the kids, especially Narvaez, Rafaela, Bello and Dobbins. The big three have yet to prove anything, but we may not need all 3 to do so, at least right away. (To win, this year, we will.) I can see how those who turned on Devers weeks ago are rejoicing over this, but we just took a gut punch to our line-up, and there is no getting around that fact. It's hard to not think of this as anything more than a punt on 2025, even if we trade for someone like Hoskins or a solid, higher-priced rental pitcher. I called it a third down punt, because this is mid June, and we are far from 4th down and long. I'm not thrilled it came to this, but more and more, it looks to me like this needed to be done, and not paying anything to SFG could really help us, assuming we spend like we did, this past winter, again this coming winter. I have to think this would be a better team: (Sign Cease, Naylor & Helsley and trade Casas & Duran for another solid pitcher) 1. Mayer SS 2. Bregman 3B 3. Abreu-Refsnyder RF 4. Naylor 1B 5. Narvaez C 7. Anthony LF 8. Story/Campbell 2B 9. Rafaela/Campbell CF Bench: Wong, Ref/Abreu, Story/Campbell/Rafaela, Romy or Toro SP: Crochet, Cease, __trade___, Bello, Sadnoval (Dobbins, Crawford, Houck, Harrison, Fitts) RP: Helsley, Whitlock, Hicks, Slaten, Houck, Crawford, Dobbins, Harrison/Fitts/Weissert/Bernardino...

I hear you, and I have my doubts about the veracity of this claim, even with the "multiple sources" aspect. I'm still not "happy" being critical of Devers on the way out, though.

Good way to look at it. Soxprospects.com says they'd have Harrison as their top pitching prospect, had he not graduated. Better than Perales, Tolle, Clarke and Valera might not eb saying all that much, but that is better than Priester and Fitts.

I would not separate Kennedy and JH on any blame pie chart. I'd just call it the FO, seperate from Brez. 40% Devers 30% Brez (Maybe less, see Cora's share.) 20% FO (just because they always have a share in anything bad.) 5% Cora (more, if Brez told him to get Devers to play 1B, and he refused to even try) 5% Bloom