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I have no beef with Beckett. I even think the whole chicken gate was blown out of proportion and too much blame was placed on JB. I only have two Sox jerseys with a player's name on the back: one is Ortiz and the other is Beckett. I still wear my Beckett jersey with pride as I mow my lawn.

Come on harmony, any Dodger fan or executive would tell you Crawford was a total unequivocal bust with us and LA. (5.0 total WAR in 5 years on the books. Christ, we paid a dollar to get Nava, and he gave us more than that!) The money they paid him, even with the amount we paid was still a terrible deal for them. AGon was a disappointment. (9.6 total WAR in 5 years) You also conveniently neglected to mention Beckett who racked up a massive WAR total of 0.5 in 2 years. All totaled, they got about 15 WAR for 12 contract years at a high rate of pay. How you can try to sugar coat it baffles me. FYI, some Sox WAR numbers at 1B and LF from 2013 to 2017 at fractions of the cost of the clowns we traded. 3.9 Napoli 1B 2013 2.6 Nava LF 2014 2.4 Napoli 1B 2014 Team WAR at 1B and LF 1B 2013: 5.2 2014: 1.0 2015: 1.7 2016: 4.3 2017: 0.9 Total: 12.1 LF 2013: 4.2 2014: 3.1 2015: 0.0 (The HRam disaster) 2016: 2.2 2017: 1.9 Total: 11.4 Then, there's Beckett, who is harder to compare... 2013 Dempster 0.5 or Doubront 2.2 2014 DLR 0.4 or Webster 0.3 or Masterson 0.1 2015 Miley 2.6 or ERod 1.7 or Kelly 1.2/R Hill 1.1 2016 Wright 2.7 or ERod 1.2 2017 Fister 1.3 So, the Dodgers still won, despite the trade. That doesn't mean it was a good trade for them. It sucked for them and was great for us.

Leaves us very close to the second level luxury tax penalty- probably over, unless we cut or trade some salary. Kinda squeezes out HRam, unless we trade an OF'er (JBJ for a pitcher?). I like the plan. 1. Bogey SS 2. Betts RF 3. Beni LF 4. Martinez DH 5. Morrison 1B 6. Devers 3B 7. Pedey 2B 8. JBJ CF 9. Vaz C Bench: HRam, Leon, Hernandez, and one from Lin/Swihart/Holt/Marrero/Travis S1 Sale S2 Price S3 Pom S4 Porcello S5 Wright>ERod (Johnson/Velazquez/Beeks/Elias/Haley) R1 Kimbrel R2 Shaw R3 Smith R4 Kelly R5 Barnes R6 Maddox R7 Workman/Hembree/Scott/Johnson/Taylor

MLBTR came out with it's top 50 Free Agent Projected Destination Page. JD Martinez ($150M/6, Logan Morrison ($36M/3) & Bryan Shaw ($21M/3) to the Sox ($44M total per year) Moustakas to ATL Santana back to CLE Cozart to SD Darvish to Cubs Arrieta to MIL Tanaka to Philly CC Sab back to NYY/ A Avila to NYY A Cobb to MN Hosmer back to KC L Lynn TEX L Cain to SFG Wade Davis to HOU

No thanks to CC, Beckett and even AGon.

It was a fantastic trade that made room for us to sign the guys that helped us win in 2013. The fact is we traded away bums. I wish DD could have dumped Pablo.

He went from $88M/4 to about $106M/5. He's younger and a better defender than JD, so what's JD going to get?

I still maintain it was one of the very best Sox trades ever made. I guess since Ben made it, and we all know what an idiot he is, it must have been "luck".

I think he said "it will go down as the worst..." which is his opinion. I don't agree. I think Price will come back. Even if he needs surgery and misses a year, he could still give us way more than CC gave us & the Dodgers.

I totally agree, but we were able to find a taker for CC but not Pablo and probably not Price, if he bombs out.

Good points. I will say, I don't think any of the trades he made were difficult to make. IT just took someone willing to risk losing future value in order to obtain present value. By and large, most of his players obtained have performed at or above expectations. That's not something that is easy to do. The Price signing is the one thing that could almost totally tank his work.

He'll be DD's "coffee boy".

Nobody is saying he gets "no credit."

I live just Southwest of Houston (Sugar Land). I'm glad these guys won. This area needed some diversion. Plus, who wants the $Dodgers$ to win?

Just when you start thinking no team can win these days without strong pen , Houston blows up the idea.

MLBTR chat... Big Boss Man 5:06 Potential Stanton rough draft: - To Miami CF. Jackie Bradley 3B. Michael Chavis C. Daniel Flores SP. Tanner Houck - To Boston LF Giancarlo Stanton IF Martin Prado (Nunez replacement) Boston take on 100% of both contracts. Does this seem fair & logical in your view? Jason Martinez 5:09 That would be about what I'd expect if they took on the entire deal. Not sure if they'd have to take on Prado's contract in that deal, although I can see the fit.

Front Office not dugout... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/tony-la-russa-to-join-red-sox-organization.html

Cot's has our luxury tax budget, including benefits at $202.5M. Arb estimates are at: $10M Betts (1st of 3 arbs) $9M Pom (3 of 3) $7M Bogey (2 of 3) $6M JBJ (2 of 4) $4M Kelly (3 of 3) $4M ERod (1 of 4) $2.5M Leon (2 of 4) $2M Holt (2 of 3) $2M Ross (3 of 3) $2M Thornburg (2 of 3) $1.5M Vazquez (1 of 3) $1M Smith (1 of 3) $1M Workman (1 of 3) $1M Wright (1 of 3) $750K Rutledge (2 of 3) We could save close to $5M by trading or non-tendering Holt, Ross and Rutledge. My numbers are different from theirs, but we'll be going way over the luxury limit, if we spend like I think we will be doing. We might even go over the second threshold.

Half of our current 40 man roster was added in the 2015 winter or later, including call-ups that were in the system but not on the 40 man roster. Carson Smith is #20 added DEC 2015. Steven Wright is second in 40 man roster seniority behind Pedey.

Reed: Nogosek (20th), Bautista (20th) & Callahan (18th) Nunez: Shuan Anderson (11th) & Grgory Santos (NR)

Willie McGee was pretty bad. I'd vote for Andy Etchebarren.

1973 Darold Knowles

No Sox team has won 100 or more games since 1946. Who was the manager in the only 99 win regular season in 80+ years? Zimmer 99 in 1978 (2nd place) Others since 1950.... Tito 98 in 2004 (2nd place) WS Farrell 97 in 2013 (1st) WS Zimmer 97 in 1977 (2nd) Tito 96 in 2007 (1st) WS Tito 95 in 2009 (2nd) Tito 95 in 2008 (2nd) Tito 95 in 2005 (2nd) Johnson 95 in 1975 (1st) Lost WS J Williams 94 in 1999 (2nd) Farrell 93 in 2017 (1st) Farrell 93 in 2016 (1st) Little 93 in 2002 (2nd) D Williams 92 in 1967 (1st) Lost WS J Willimas 92 in 1998 (2nd) Zimmer 91 in 1979 (3rd) Tito 90 in 2011 (3rd) Of course, this isn't the full story. For one thing, Dick Williams led his team to a division win in a 10 team division, while other often finished 2nd in a 5 team division. One of Tito's WS wins (2004) was as a wild card team. Some managers never had that chance. Stength of division was also a big factor. (Then again, the playoff runs to the WS were shorter.)

I totally agree. Williams took a terrible team from the year before to great heights. One game from a ring, when nobody expected them to even have a winning record.

Some of these prospects have dropped a lot since the trades, but here is a list of all the prospects DD traded- listed in order of their highest soxprospects.com ranking: 1 Moncada 3 Margot 3 Espinoza 5 Kopech 6 Guerra 7 Basabe 9 Dubon 12 Travis Shaw (not a prospect when traded) 12 W Rijo 13 L Allen 13 P Light 18 Basabe 20 C Asuaje 21 V Diaz 24 J Pennington 40 J Almonte