moonslav59

I understand your position. I hate finishing last or being out of playoff contention in early August. However, the experience of winning a championship is so overwhelming, I have to say, I' rather have the 2012-2015 four year period than the 2008-2011 four year period. Plus, while I feel bad during the season, the off-seasons are worse when hope is low about next year's chances. I'll admit, I was not super high going into 2013, but every one of those four years showed promise before the year started but also a sense that the extended future was getting much brighter. The last few years of Theo's regime, I did not have that sense of long term promise, other than knowing we'd stay somewhat competitive due to alwayd being a top 5 spender. That's not quite as enjoyable as watching homegrown kids like Betts, Bogey, JBJ and others rise- some through periods of intense struggling. I feel really good this winter. I'm not a DD basher. I'd have done a few thing differently, but I know I'm not an expert. I'd have done a few things differently with Ben and Theo, too. I'm fine with sacrificing some of the future for a window as wide as 3-4 years. I hate trading top talent for 2 month rentals. DD has avoided that, thankfully. I'm hoping we win a ring in the next 2-3 years, but I realize we may pay for that a little bit by not being very competitive for a year or two afterwards. I lived the "come so close" era in Sox history that lasted decades. I suffered through over 3 decades of coming close. To me, it was not even close to being as good as the 4 year period under Ben- 3 last places and 1 ring. Those three last place finishes were frustrating, because we didn't seem to have a last place roster. We didn't have a championship roster either, but a lot of players under performed.

Big savings for us! (LOL)

I guess some feel his moves have been of the desperate variety. I'd maybe call him daring Dave.

Top SS WAR since 2015 16.5 Lindor 14.6 Seager 13.7 Correa 12.4 Bogaerts 12.1 Crawford 11.1 Simmons 9.7 Gregorius 8.9 Cozart Bogey placed 6th in wRC+ at 107 3rd OBP .352 7th OPS .776 17th UZR/150 at -1.2 28th DRS at -22

I agree. The luxury tax number really looks okay for teams straddling the line from year to year- not so good for others looking at $29.5M for forever. I say go for it!

Well, he was never above average on defense, although many expected him to improve to at least average. His offense declined, perhaps due to playing injured. Next year could be break-out time for Bogey.

Want a busy winter with bold moves? Trade: Bogey for prospects and flip them to Miami with Ockimmey, Flores and Castillo for Stanton. Trade: JBJ, Travis, and Hembree for Salazar Sign: Cozart $42M/3 Sign: Santana $45M/3 Sign: B Shaw $21M/3 LF Stanton RF Betts 1B Santana CF Beni SS Cozart 3B Devers DH HRam 2B Hernandez/Holt/Lin >Pedey C Vaz Salazar takes ERod's slot and when ERod returns Wright goes to the pen.

The 9 QO's: Jake Arrieta, SP, Cubs Lorenzo Cain, OF, Royals Alex Cobb, SP, Rays Wade Davis, RP, Cubs Greg Holland, RP, Rockies Eric Hosmer, 1B, Royals Lance Lynn, SP, Cardinals Mike Moustakas, 3B, Royals Carlos Santana, 1B, Guardians

I've been saying I don't think it will take a whole lot to get Stanton, if we pay his whole salary. I could even see us getting Stanton or JD Martinez plus Santana or Moose.

As much as possible.

Yes, when Pedey comes back in July or August, it is likely he will go back to 2B, but he might DH for a while first.

No, you asked who would start, if they weren't traded. Pedey is hurt. Moncada would start 2B next year or be a better DH than HRam. What's so hard about this?

Building a farm involves international signings too. I've already agreed his drafts weren't that good. BTW, how is drafting Beni (Taylor and Allen) in 2015 a "bad draft?"

I was only concerned with his defense. I'm fine with high K rates, if the guy still hits. I was roasted for suggesting he DH. I loved the Sale trade, but not because I disliked Moncada or Kopech. You are right, though. Many poster roasted Moncada over his tiny sample size in the bigs in 2015.

Enough to get us Kimbrel, Pom & Sale. Enough to be way better than what DD has added. Enough to be way better than what Theo left Ben. Enough to be the highest ranked farm system in MLB. OK!!!!

They might like Travis, but they could have Ockimey, if they preferred. I'm not sure they like EE at 1B, and they are losing Santana. I might add Chavis, but I'd have to think about it.

No, you went say, "So your argument is that he's better than two s***** players? That's some high praise!" I wasn't praising anybody. I was answering a question about which prospects traded would be starting now. The debate was not about praise- just are they good enough to be starting. I'm not a big Holt fan, so saying Moncada and maybe Dubon are better than Holt is not praise. Same with Moncada vs HRam.

Not adding a "lick"? Players Ben added to Theo's farm: Beni Devers Moncada Kopech Espinoza Chavis Travis Basabe Basabe Maddox Victor Diaz Lin Guerra Rijo WOW! I just hope DD can add half this amount in 4 years.

Please follow along. We were asked what players that were traded would start for the Sox. I listed Moncada, maybe Dubon at 2B or Moncada at DH. I also mentioned Margot might DH/4th OF for us. With ERod hurt and the Sale trade being theoretically revoked, maybe Kopech would win a slot. I never said I'd be happy with these guys starting in 2018 for the Sox.

If you think 45 errors at 3B is minor, fine. I don't. It may not be "major" to some. That's fine, too It's not worth arguing over.

Better than HRam at DH and maybe better than Holt at 2B for 2018.

So, theoretical international signings missed are worth more than actual ones that were rated so highly we got Sale and Pom for them.

The one year penalty did not take away from the excellent international players Ben left DD- most of whom were traded away for Sale and Pom. Ben did NOT leave DD with a bad farm. Any spin that implies otherwise is just that: spin.

My bad. I keep confusing these two, because at one time I wanted both. I meant Salazar with his injury history. Sorry. Yes, Carrasco would not be offered for JBJ, Swihart and Travis.

I think it is more than a minor issue. It's just not as major as our lack of a clean-up hitter, 1Bman and injuries (surgery) to Pedey & HRam. SP'ing and RP'ing may be a higher need than fixing 3B defense. It's close. Devers was on pace for over 40 errors over 150 games. (Agreed: maybe "serious" was to harsh a word.)