moonslav59
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That wasn't really his plan. We were supposed to be pretty good - not ring seasons but not last place either. Pablo was a horrible signing, but nobody expected THAT horrible. HRam and Porcello had decent to great seasons the year after Ben was left. Flip those two seasons, and Ben gets another season to prove his 5 year plan was a good one. Ben certainly deserves some of the blame, but so many players under performed it was sick.
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Mookie Freakin' Betts!
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I'm fairly certain Ben would have traded some prospects the next year, but he was gone by then. I wonder, if he knew his job was on the line, he might have made an earlier trade (or two). I think he expected his team to do well enough to not get canned. The last place finish was a surprise to many- not just Ben.
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Of course, no stat or metric incorporates everything into the result. War gets a lot of the big things. On all those little things not captured, how do we know how many times other players do them in games we are not watching? Does anything show us who is best in those areas?
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When Scherzer was available we needed hitting and pitching. I think Ben looked at the bigger FA SP'er class in the following year with Price, Cueto and others, and decided to go for hitting that year with the idea that he;d sign an ace the next year. The GM switch didn't change that plan as DD signed Price.
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deGrom makes more sense, in terms of need area and team control years, but he'll cost more than Machado in prospects. Does anyone doubt that Machado is a Yankee in 2019?
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So, who should the Sox trade for? I'm leaning towards Gibson or Koufax.
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Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?
moonslav59 replied to StephenCurry30's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
What gets me most is that many of the JBJ detractors are the ones who also often bash players over their recent numbers, yet with JBJ, they look at his seasonal numbers and neglect the fact that he;s been hitting well for quite a while recently. -
As long as we don't lower Mookie's, yes!
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ERA- Leaders 43 deGrom 51 Verlander 52 Sale Porcello at 36th (84) ERod at 38th (84) Price at 72nd (103) (MLB SP'ers with 50+ IP) If you only count qualified SP'ers we rank: 3. Sale 23. Porcello 25. ERod (our 3rd "ace") 51. Price
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MLB fWAR Leaders 6.6 Trout 6.1 Ramirez 5.9 Betts (over 60 less PAs rhan the 2 above) 13. Beni 3.6 16. JD 3.5 29. Bogey 2.9 88. Moreland 1.4 Pitching 4.9 Sale & Bauer 4.5 Verlander 4.4 deGrom 4.1 Scherzer 4.0 Nola & Severino 20. Porcello 2.2 44. ERod 1.6 65. Price 1.1 If you go by the theory that 1-30 are aces, 31-60 are number 2's, etc... we have: Sale as the best ace in MLB Porcello as a middle tier ace ERod as an exact middle road #2 starter Price as a high tier 3rd starter
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MLB Leaders BA .352 Betts (This is Wade Boggs territory) .333 Altuve .329 JD (25th: Beni at .297) HR 28 JD & Jose Ramirez 25 Trout & Lindor & Judge 24 Aguilar 23 Betts (missed time while on DL) RBI 79 JD (28th: Beni & Bogey at 57) OPS 1.123 Betts 1.075 Trout 1.036 JD (16th Beni at .897/ 28th Bogey at .875) (Moreland does not qualify but places 35th at .864 out of the 209 MLB players with 250+ PAs.)
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We ended up wasting $95M on Pablo and $80M on HRam. That's just about what Scherzer got. Spreading his money out would have helped our luxury tax budget.
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The pitching staff was good, especially after moving Tiant into the rotation, but it was not close to the staffs of 2004, 2007 and 2013. I agree on Doug Griffin. That beaning was a shame. It was too bad much of this core team kind of disintegrated before the '75 youth infusion and near ring. Some just were too old and some were gone by 1975.
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Actually, soon after the trade he signed Victorino, Napoli (the first time), Dempster and Drew (the first time). He also traded for Uehara.
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We lived through some tough times, and yet did not let them harden us too much. I certainly have enjoyed your posts and am happy everyone doesn't all have the same thoughts and beliefs. Variety is the spice of life.
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Don't look now, but JBJ is getting close to passing a few guys in OPS: .663 Leon .658 Nunez .641 JBJ
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Yes, and Betts and others should bebetter than they were in 2016 (and certainly 2017), because they are entering prime years.
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Thanks. I did want JD and did think our offense was going to be top 3-5 this year. I was never a big proponent of a guy like JD making everyone else much better due to "protection" and other ideas. That was the thing I am sgtarting to feel differently about. Yes, I never had doubts about Bogey, Betts, Beni and others returning to norms this year, assuming good health. It bugged me when some others suggested or asked the question, "what if 2017 was their norm?" Most players improve from ages 23-26 or so. Yes, most have set backs and struggling seasons, but not all at once. I rested blaming that primarily on the loss of Papi. Now, I'm not so sure. While I expected the killer bs to improve, theu've done much better than even I expected, and I think that might be JD's doing (with Cora and other coaches helping).
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Yes, I've mentioned this before about freeing up budget space to avoid the max penalty, but I doubt we can trade either one without paying some of their money.
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I'm not sure about "excellent," and I'm not sure we'd get anybody better than Porcello, ERod, Price or the Wright/Velazquez/Johnson combination.
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He probably deserves a promotion, but we have Travis at 1B, Olt at 3B and Lind at 1B/DH there.
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Hopefully, Devers to the DL is just a precautionary move. This from MLBTR... Also hitting the shelf is Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers, who’ll be replaced by Tzu-Wei Lin. The official cause of the placement for Devers is left shoulder inflammation, though it doesn’t seem there’s much reason to anticipate that he’s at risk of a more significant underlying problem. Still just 21 years of age, Devers has compiled 367 plate appearances of .241/.292/.424 hitting this year. He had been heating up over the month of June but is back in a lull through eight games in July, which perhaps helped motivate the club to give him a rest.
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Perhaps the biggest disappointment for me was the 1972 Sox. The strike shortened season saw us finish in second place by 1/2 game to the Tigers. They played one more game than us. That team had my boyhood favorite player, Tommy Harper, in CF. (He led the league in SBs the next season with the Sox.) Fisk at catcher (Bob Montgomery as back-up). Luis Aparicio and Doug Griffn as the keystone combo. Rico at 3B. Yaz in LF Reggie Smith still with the team (RF) Ben Oglivie, Rick Miller, Juan Beniquez and Dwight Evans as pehaps the best OF depth ever. The pitching did us in, as always: 15-6 Luis Tiant (converted to starter) 17-13 Marty Pattin (another from the Brewer trade) 12-12 Sonny Siebert 11-8 John Curtis 8-7 Lynn McGlothen 5-6 Ray Culp Bill Lee in the pen with Gary Peters, Lew Krausse, Newhauser, Tatum, Bolin and big Bob Veale.
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Watching Clemens pitch changed my TV Sox viewership radically. No longer did I take bathroom breaks or beer runs to the fridge during opponent's half innings. I took them when the Sox were coming up to bat. That 19 K game vs the Tigers is still one of my best regular season Sox memories. We always knew that winning it all was largely a result of great pitching, and although we never won a ring with Roger, he was an awesome talent. Those 3-4 mediocre seasons with us before leaving were puzzling. I have to think the roids pulled him out of that funk. His behavior with the underage girl sealed the spite I have for the guy now, but he was a top talent. Pedro's 5-7 year run ('97 to '03 or '99 to '03) is maybe baseball's best ever. Certainly, he (and Schill) turned me into a believer that pitching wins rings. Sale is quickly getting himself into their class. Just get us a ring, Chris!!!!!!!
