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  1. It's all about a reset or not. If we chose to reset, we can wait until July to decide on a few players. If we want to do something, this winter, I'd start by trading JBJ and Price and or Eovaldi. Take the money saved to fill some holes. Look for cheap bridge players, but maybe try to find a few gems in the rough, something Bloom is known for. Yes, that would mean signing a # 4 and a #5, something I said is not the way to build, but with limited budget issues, you do what you have to do. We might try to score 1-2 players that look to help beyond 2020, but the rest would likely be 1 year deals to bridge to 2021, when presumably, we can go back over the tax line. The cliff is here. Maybe it won't be as bad as a "cliff" sounds like, buy if we reset, I'm not counting on a contending team, so all my points about how to build a contender for next year are moot. Normally, I'm all for building up the rotation from the top, but that can't happen this winter unless we dump a hell of a lot of salary, first.
  2. I'd take Roark or Teheran over Porcello, but they may be too high-priced as well.
  3. If we don't reset, then anything goes. If resetting is a true goal, signing Porcello will have to have a ripple effect.
  4. I'm the leader of the "Just say No to Rick" club.
  5. One has to wonder why teams offering him a multi year deal wouldn't also offer a higher 1 year deal, if that's what Porcello is looking for.
  6. Maybe they told Rick, we might make an offer, if we are able to dump price or Eovalid. I still would not spend over $10M on Porcello, even if we dumped both. I can see maybe a 1 year deal to bridge us to 2021, so Rick can eat 200 innings in 2020, but guys like Roark and Teheran are horses, too, and may cost less.
  7. One major reason your farm got good was because you drafted lower than now, and you had a fire sale. That ain't happening anytime soon. Your farm will continue to decline each year, unless you get lucky. If you end up going over the max line at some point or having to make a summer trade, it will decline more quickly. If we reset and finish in the middle tier again, our farm should get better as yours gets worse. BTW, we were pretty damn goos at IFA signings before DD and that year we got suspended from signings.
  8. It's not a winning strategy to sign 4-5 slot starters. We can't afford Porcello. I'd love to have him back, but we might not even be able to offer $3-4M, unless we deal away more than just JBJ.
  9. Only Yankees can do that. Don't you know?
  10. You crack me up.
  11. Yes, nobody knows, but the odds are he'll start declining sooner rather than later.
  12. So, Cole at $245M/7 at age 29. Price at $217M/7 at age 30. Let's compare the two at their time of signing: Price: coming off a league leading ERA of 2.45 (164 ERA+) in 220 IP. 2yrs prior: 33-17 2.88 (135 ERA+) in 469 IP (most in MLB) 1.08 WHIP 3 yrs prior: 43-25 3.01 (129 ERA+) in 655 IP and 1.08 WHIP 4 yrs: 63-30 2.90 (133) in 866 IP (1.09) 5 yrs: 75-43 3.02 (127) in 1091 IP (1.10) 6 yrs: 94-49 2.97 (130) in 1299 IP (1.11) Cole: coming off a league leading ERA 2.50 (185 ERA+) in 212 IP (0.90 WHIP) 2 yrs: 35-10 2.68 (164) in 413 IP (0.96) 3 yrs: 47-22 3.20 (136) in 616 IP (1.06) 4 yrs: 54-32 3.31 (130) in 732 iP (1.12) 5 yrs: 73-40 3.15 (134) in 940 IP (1.11) 6 yrs: 84-45 3.22 (129) in 1078 IP (1.13) Cole's got a big lead over Price in the most recent 2 year numbers, except IP, but the 4 prior years goes to Price: Prior 3-6 years combined: Price: 61-32 3.02 (127) in 831 IP (1.13) Cole: 49-35 3.55 (112) in 665 IP (1.23)
  13. If it's near the $11M/1 offer MLBTR suggested, it's too much. $18M/2 is too much, as well.
  14. Yes, the 3 year sample works better for you, but why not 2 or 4 or 5 years? We both cherry-picked, but teh fact is Price has proven he has value- certainly not anything near $32M value, but he has enough value that SD would want him, if the money part was balanced out. bWAR in reverse 2019>2018...: Price: 1.8, 4.4, 1.6, 3.0, 2.6, 3.6 Paxton: 2.2, 2.9, 3.6, 1.1, 0.7, 1.3 Last 3 years: Price 7.8 Paxton 8.7 4 rs Price 10.8 Paxton 9.8
  15. My point was about value. Paxton, who you gushed over has done about the same as Price, who you act like Price is valueless. You claim he has to do something positive to be tradable. He's been Paxton for 2 years. I'm fully aware of the contract disparity, but I also know how much Myers is owed. He's owed $61M over the next 3 years. That's 2/3 of what Price makes and all that SD cares about- that and gaining a 2-3 WAR SP'er for about $10M a year. From our perspective, the luxury tax savings would be way more than $10-11M a year x 3. Myers's luxury tax hit is just $13.8M/yr. That means nothing to SD but a hell of a lot to us. We'd save over $17M a year on the lux tax. It's not unreasonable to think SD would pay Price $36M/3 (the difference between him and Myers) and we'd take Myers to fill our 1B hole while saving $17M x 3 years on the tax budget. It's a match made in heaven. (BTW, I also suggested we could kick in a little cash and still make out.)
  16. Funny how you expect your farm to stay good as you win and spend, but you talk about how it's nearly impossible for us to do so.
  17. It's us who needs to do the walking. He's past 30, now, and we can't afford $10M+ for our 5th starter. Even if we dump Price or Eovaldi, we should spend the money more wisely and spread it out more. We have too many holes to fill to spend that much on anyone.
  18. It's not like we don't see the downside of Price. He's been showing something positive, too. 2017 was the only year, he gave us basically nothing He's pitched 283 innings in the past 2 years at a 6.2 bWAR and 4.7 fWAR. While the IP'd are not great, they still have provided value, and I'm not even counting the 2018 playoff performances. (He's over 307 IP counting the playoffs.) Your guy, James Paxton has about 310 IP the last 2 years combined at a 5.1 bWAR and 7.2 fWAR, and had a worse IP record, other than 2017, than Price beforehand. (Even 2017, Price gave us a 1.5 or 1.6 WAR.) Taking on Myers's contract would offset enough of Price's deal to make it worth it for SD, despite what you think. Myers gives them very little. He's avergaed a 1.0 WAR the last 3 years. This type of deal makes sense to both sides.
  19. It will be hard to keep your farm this good. It's already started declining as players are called up. Winning brings worse draft picks. Spending large limits IFA signings. Yes, it helps to have some good prospects already in the system to infuse some low cost help in the next 2-4 years, but the well will eventually run dry, and my guess is, when it looks like you have a great chance at winning a ring, you'll make a couple trades of prospects for that one or tow pieces you feel you need to put you over the top. It's a pattern that just keeps repeating itself, despite the cliffs they cause.
  20. So, let's hope the Cole signing starts the whole process over again.
  21. Just say "NO!"
  22. I can't see any scenario where bringing Porcello back makes any sense.
  23. That's a movement that should be avoided. Movement for the sake of movement is not a good thing.
  24. It's all based on Jacko's idea that all Sox pitchers are doomed to a zero or below WAR in 2020. If Price was a Yankee, he would not want to trade Price for Myers.
  25. MLBTR... Red Sox ace Chris Sale finished the 2019 season on the injured list with inflammation in his throwing elbow. However, there’s “no doubt” he’ll be ready for spring training, he told reporters (including Adam Fisher of the Fort Myers News-Press). Sale was cleared to begin throwing last week, and he offered a few details on his offseason program yesterday. Currently, Sale is throwing three times a week, he said, and he plans to up his workload soon before moving to long-toss and, eventually, mound work. Sale’s peripherals were dominant again last season, but his 147.1 innings of 4.40 ERA ball no doubt made for some disappointing results. The Sox will be hoping for more typical bottom line numbers from the star southpaw in 2020.
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