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In the history of MLB, has any owner ever lost money when selling a team, even with adjusted dollars to inflation?

I doubt the Sox would take on more salary with the Eovaldi-Myers trade, despite it actually lowering the lux tax budget by $3.17M a year x 3. Maybe SD pitches in $5M a year to even out the trade, and we save $8.2M a year on the lux tax. Add that to JBJ's $11M, and we'll have about $22M to spend this winter and stay under. I wonder if SD would take price + $2M a year for Myers- making his net cost just $7M a year. We save $7M but $15M on the Lux Budget.

There has been some talk that SD is possibly looking to sign a SP'er, so maybe they can spend "the difference" on Price. They may not want Price, though.

Not much wiggle room, unless we dump Eovaldi or Price.

I heard the Mets.

It's about rectifying the bad (financial) moves made in the past. We threw money after money and thinking the solution is to keep throwing money seems a bit illogical. Standing pat neither gets us a ring nor budget relief. DD & Henry like maniacs (plus Ben with Pablo & HRam). We might not like to think about it, but a balance was always in the future. The future came quicker than we thought or hoped, but it's here. We can put it off another year, I suppose, and go for one last hurrah, but the balance will come.

There's not many CF'ers on the market, but for the same reasons I think trading JBJ is what's best for the team (mostly budget), I do wonder why other teams are so interested. I guess they may not have tight budgets.

Price for Myers? This from MLBTRs... As expected, the Padres are hoping to trade pricey and underperforming outfielder/first baseman Wil Myers, Jayson Stark of The Athletic reports. The Padres appear highly motivated to part with Myers, according to Stark, who adds that there’s even a willingness on the team’s part to attach prospects from its loaded farm system if it would encourage someone to take the veteran off its hands. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported back in September that the Padres would “likely” be willing to eat half of the $60MM left on Myers’ contract to get rid of him. At this point, it’s unknown whether the amount’s still in that ballpark. Myers, who turns 30 on Tuesday, has another three years left on his deal.

True nuff

If we dump Price and JBJ, we can more than afford Lindblom and several others like him or even slightly more expensive.

If we can replace JBJ with a great defensive CF making min wage, we won't be losing much in CF. Losing Price, to me, is just losing the potential of Price getting healthy and returning to form. I don't see the odds of that as being very good, so trading him makes more sense. If he stays unhealthy or continues to decline or both, what have we lost that we wouldn't have already lost by keeping him? The major answer is money. If we can save some by dealing him and maybe get lucky with a resurgent Myers playing 1B for 1-3 years. Just trading JBJ and Price would allow us to obtain a few role players and maybe give us a chance at one last hurrah in 2020. If July comes around and we're 10 back, I doubt anyone would be strongly opposed to trading players who will be gone or likely gone after 2020 (Betts & JD). I'm hopeful we can keep our "down time" to just 1-2 years. I know that sounds sad and a bit tragic when you consider we'll still be neat the luxury tax the whole time not contending, but it is what it is. We will likely lose JD's contract (and production) after 2020. Hopefully, we bring Betts back, but if we don't, we'll have a lot of budget space next winter. We lose Pedey after 2021. Eovaldi & Price after 2022.

MLBTR... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/red-sox-notes-rumors-jbj-mookie-porcello-holt-front-office.html

Stranger is the Lindblom fan club.

I much prefer Roark, and I only mentioned Teheran, because he eats innings and makes those I'm trying to sell the idea to more palatable. I'd much prefer Roark and someone like Lindblom or some other low risk bridge signing. I'm leaning towards just looking towards 2021 and beyond (at least this minute, anyways).

Why? While Porcello & Price may have higher WAR values, how much is the WAR of the pitcher who has to replace Price every year after he gets hurt? IP matter 2017-2019 IP Pitcher WAR 569 Porcello 6.2 539 Teheran 3.3 520 Roark 6.9 358 Price 6.2 Plus, we have to factor in any plus WAR Myers & Odor give us over Travis, Chavis and/or Lin. I see our chances being about even.

It may be more nuanced than that. Attendance declining can be offset by higher ticket and concession prices. Lower viewership does not seem to be translating to lower TV deals between teams and networks.

I have not seen any poster say we should trade ERod or Sale. The talk has been mostly about JBJ- the same guy many said should be benched or DFA'd most of last year. Second has been about Price and/or Eovaldi- the two guys who were hurt most of last year. Talk of trading Betts has been high (maybe second), but it's not like we'd hand him away for nothing. Last is JD. We aren't trading all 5 and likely will not trade 3, unless it's July and we're 10 back.

Because the owner decided he'd make 150 million, instead of $180M, this year. Plus, when he sells the team he makes a windfall profit that is ungodly.

We can hope, but what if we get what we want and then they decide to reset next year instead?

Would Sox fans tolerate a team without JBJ and Price but with Roark & Teheran? It's not a major overhaul.

Yes, 90% sure. I think we trade JBJ to get barely under and wait to the deadline. We may trade Price or Eovaldi and still try to compete in 2020. We might be better with Wil Myers and 2 dependable SP'ers we can sign with the savings. Re-setting may not mean giving up.

Who said salaries were going to go down? Yes, attendance is down. Yes, viewership is down. But, this game is still a massive cash cow to the owners. They could have paid these salaries over a decade ago and still made insane amounts of money.

Maybe, or just add a little cash, but the two trades I listed pretty much balance out the money- not to an even point, but to about the value Price and Eovaldi are worth in open market FA dollars. Price for Myers Price: Owed $96M/3 ($31M x 3 on luxury tax) Myers: Owed $68.5M/3 (JUST $13.83M x 3 on lux tax) Overall cost of Price to SD: $27M/3 or about $9M a year- just about right. The Sox save $27M/3, but more importantly, they save over $17M x 3 on Lux. Eovalid for Odor Eovaldi: Owed $51M/3 ($17M x 3 luxury tax) Odor: owed $34M/3 (Just $8.25M x 3 on lux tax) Overall cost of Eovaldi to TX: $17M/3 or $5.7M x 3- that's less than FA value. We could ask for a prospect with Odor. The Sox save $17M, but also save almost $9M x 3 on the lux tax. If we did both trades, we'd save about $26M a year for 3 years on the lux tax budget. If we also traded JBJ, we'd have about $30M to spend this winter. In theory, going by MLBTR projected contracts, we'd be able to fill these holes: 1B- filled with Myers (not great, but capable as a bridge to 2021.) 2B- filled with Odor (not great, but capable as a bridge to 2021.) Possible Free Agent Signings (~$30M to spend): SP: $9M x 2 Tanner Roark SP: $9M x 2 Julio Teheran or $8M x 2 Wade Miley SP/RP: $4M x 2 Josh Lindblom or $6M x 1 Rich Hill/Michael Wacha RP: $5M x 1 Pedro Strop or CF $3M x 3 Shogo Akiyama Yes, we lose the slim possibility that both Price and Eovaldi stay healthy and return to form, possibly giving us a real shot at a ring run, but the depth we can add by trading just 2 guys is near astounding.

Some of us have come up with suggestions we think will/could work. They may be pie-in-the-sky, but something similar might work. No plan is going to have us reset AND look to be highly competitive in 2020. The most likely plan will be to try and look somewhat competitive in 2020 to keep the fan base interested while looking towards making the team better positioned for 2021 and beyond. That won't be easy, but freeing up some money by trading Price (maybe for Myers) and or Eovaldi (maybe for Odour) might be the first steps need to open up more opportunities and choices for this winter and beyond.

He will get more than that. He will likely get more than $10M/1.