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My top 10 (not that I know more than soxprospects.com): 1. Casas 2. Mata 3. Ward 4. Dalbec 5. Jimenez 6. Groome 7. Chatham 8. Houck 9. Song 10. Padron-Artiles

I'm sure that's part of the potential calculation. I hope they are right. We could use a SP'er from the farm. It's been a while.

Maybe he should be number 3.

I see two possibilities: 1) Our farm is so weak, we have to put a totally unproven, operated on player in our 3 slot. 2) He is really good and just need to prove it.

The Fall soxprospects.com rankings are out: https://soxprospects.com (Note: Chavis & DHern graduated, so + 2 is essentially staying even) 1. Casas 2. Mata +8 from April 3. Groome +3 4. Jimenez +12 5. Dalbec -1 6. Duran +7 7. Houck -2 8. Noah Song (NR) 9. Chatham -1 10. T Ward (NR) 11. R Zeferajahn (NR) 12. Aldo Ramirez (NR) 13. Matthew Lugo (NR) 14. Chris Murphey (NR) 15. N Decker -3 16. Cameron Cannon (NR) 17. Brayan Bello (NR) 18. Antoni Flores -11 19. Ceddanne Rafaela (NR) 20. Marcus Wilson (NR) Other notables: 24. Feltman 27. Shawaryn 32. Fitzgerald 42. D Reyes 45. Ockimey 52. K Hart 58. Yusniel Padron-Artiles

We might be tight on every dollar. He really does not offer us the two things we might need: 1) A bridge to 2021 player 2) A longer term player as part of the rebuilding A third could be added: Innings needed.

I thought the same thing. This guy is always hurt. He's worse than Buchholz.

There is room for all of them, and I doubt some of these guys would be picked and need to be protected.

MLBTR The Reds discussed Jackie Bradley, Jr. with the Red Sox last offseason, relays the Cincinnati Enquirer’s Bobby Nightengale. While there’s no indication talks progressed very far or have picked up since, it’s still noteworthy to hear Cincinnati’s front office liked the player not too long ago. Bradley’s one of the offseason’s most obvious trade candidates, as we’ve already heard rumblings Boston would shop him this winter to ameliorate payroll concerns. MLBTR’s Connor Byrne recently explored Bradley’s market in full and noted that the Reds have some uncertainty in center field if they believe Nick Senzel to be more valuable at second base. Bradley didn’t have a banner 2019 season and comes with a rather significant arbitration projection ($11MM), but the free agent market in center field isn’t particularly robust.

Yes. Same with JBJ.

Look at the 40 man roster. I see about 18 guys that will almost certainly be here next year. Maybe 5-7 more will likely be here. Maybe 3-5 of the rest wilkl still be here. That leaves about 10-12 openings. I'm thinking, "Why not?" He kills RHPs, and we may need a DH and 1Bman, next year. If we think he won't be selected, we may not protect him, but I don't see anyone in danger of being selected by us keeping Ockimey, instead.

It's really a shame as he was on his way to a career year before the injury. He admitted he tried to rush back too quickly. You may be right about non tendering him, but the Sox did get a short look at the end of the year and may have seen something encouraging. His velocity was very low, but he only pitched in 2 games in September.

2020 Forty Man Roster Look (Listed by seniority on the 40 man roster) Red= May not be on 40 Man Roster next year Pedroia (Can place on 60 day IL next year) Vazquez Bradley (May be non tendered or traded) Workman Bogaerts Betts (May be traded) Hembree (May be non tendered or traded) Barnes Rodriguez Johnson (May be traded) M Hernandez Price Benintendi Sale Velazquez (May be traded) Travis (May be traded) Lin Devers Martinez (May opt out or be traded) Poyner (May be traded or non tendered) Walden Brasier Eovaldi Brewer Chavis Lakins Taylor DHernandez Reyes Leon (may be traded or non tendered) Weber Shawaryn Kelley Cashner Centeno JChacin Rule 5 Christopher Acosta Fabian Andrade Yoan Aybar Roldani Baldwin Eduard Bazardo Gary Calvo Marino Campana Pedro Castellanos Rusney Castillo CJ Chatham Jake Cosart Ricardo Cubillan Bobby Dalbec Enmanuel De Jesus Chad De La Guerra Jhonathan Diaz Jerry Downs Devon Fisher Matthew Gorst Kyle Hart Trenton Kemp Matt Kent Adam Lau Nick Lovullo Everlouis Lozada Tate Matheny Samuel Miranda Oddanier Mosqueda Josh Ockimey Angel Padron Yorvin Pantoja Keibert Petit Roniel Raudes Austin Rei Hildemaro Requena Jeremy Rivera Kleiber Rodriguez Jake Romanski Jagger Rusconi Alberto Schmidt Andrew Schwaab Nick Sciortino Kevin Steen Cole Sturgeon Kervin Suarez Luke Tendler Josh Tobias Marcus Wilson

We have a good chance at getting a lot younger, next year. Here were our oldest players this season: 36 Pearce- gone 35 Pedroia- not part of our long term plans 34 Wright- gone 33 Moreland- gone 33 Price- 3 years undercontract 32 Nunez- gone 32 Cashner- gone 31 Holt- likely gone 31 JD- may opt out or be traded 31 Gorkys Hernandez- gone 31 R Brasier- probably not part of our long term plans 31 Josh Smith- gone 31 J Chacin- who knows? 30 Porcello- likely gone 30 Leon- maybe gone

Never say "always." Verlander's last deal worked out. Scherzer is 35. Greinke's deal does not look all that bad. He's 36. Lester. Some of the shorter deals given to old pitchers have worked great. Clemens in 2005. Sure, there's a longer list of failures, but "always" is a strong word.

Luck does play a role, and sometimes teams that played poorly most of the year get it together or make a big trade and actually get better than their record indicates, but the larger aspect of who wins is who is better. The better teams have a better chance of winning a 5 or 7 game series.

That just can't be true. Show me that data. (Look, I mentioned wins are not necessarily the best way to set the true rankings of who were the best teams making the playoffs, but the numbers I presented alone, shows a very cleat correlation between season wins and postseason wins. The numbers are clear.)

I think we non tender or trade JBJ and maybe Hembree. We go into 2020 just under the line, and if we look like we might compete, we might add some salary and go for it. If we look bad, we'll trade JD & Betts in July. This plan might also sell more season tickets.

We might be able to trade JD, Betts & JBJ for some decent ML ready and younger talent and then makes some free agent signings that are either to bridge us to the rebuilt team or are part of the longer term future. We could spend just enough to reset and be pretty good- certainly not as good as a team with a healthy Betts, JD and JBJ but still pretty good.

Why it's Brian Johnson! Or, Hector Velazquez. Or, DHern, Shawaryn or Houck. Somebody was swearing Weber was the man after one start.

It's not a no brainer. Him getting hurt would have destroyed any chance we had. Yes, NL parks in the OF is okay. Had we known Moreland AND Pearce would get hurt, then maybe, just maybe, we should have had him practice 1B. If he played 1B and got hurt, it would be like JF & Wright all over again here on this site. Book it.

1) We could trade JD, if he opts in, so it's not all about JD's decision. It could be about the Sox decision on moving him. 2) I'm thinking, if JD is gone, there should be less need not more for JBJ. It would mean we are looking at a rebuild and reset. Keeping JBJ does not fit into that plan. (Yes, I know we can reset by keeping JBJ, if JD is not back, but it would still be a waste keeping a $10M one year player. Instead, use the budget space to look for some strategic FA signings at relatively low or moderate prices that will still allow us to sign Betts or someone else after 2020.)

I thought the idea of giving JD a first baseman's mitt made some sense, but with a Moreland-Pearce platoon set up and lots of depth at 1B, I didn't think it was worth exposing JD to an injury for such a minimal gain. The things is, we move JD to 1B, we have no hitter well suited to be the DH. JD's history screams to be a DH. We need him healthy.

I really like Dalbec- probably more than most here. I'm even okay with moving Devers to 1B to allow Dalbec to get a shot at 3B in 2020, but I don't think that will happen. I'm only for trading him for someone equally young and promising, but who plays 2B, 1B, OF or pitches.

His highest value is at 3B, and I seriously doubt the Sox want to force Devers to learn a new position (1B). In theory, Dalbec's value is higher for a team with a weak 3B. I'm not for giving Dalbec away. I'm not for trading this prospect for an aging vet. I'm for making a sideways move that brings back equal value at a position of higher need to the Sox. (Equal also means equal years of low cost team control.)