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Here's how I see our biggest FA signings or re-signings (Some were not all bad or all good- these are overall grades.): This is not a complete list. Add names, if you think of some... Bad to Bust Brad Penny John Smoltz Mike Cameron Clement Jenks Dawson Steve Avery Tony Perez JT Snow Jack Clark Offerman Matt Young Lugo Renteria Sizemore HanRam Rusney Castillo Sandoval Crawford Not Bad or close to Bad Ramiro Ramirez T Saito Dice-K Danny Darwin Pokey Reese Jonny Gomes Ryan Dempster Decent Mike Torrez Jeff Reardon Alex Gonzalez Lackey Cody Ross Adrian Gonzalez A.Aceves A. Ogando Chris Young Price Stephen Drew (first signing) Victorino (first year made it worth it) JD Drew Porcello AGon Fister Moreland Good to Great Bill Campbell Okajima Moncada (Got us Sale) Napoli (first signing) Beltre Foulke (first year made it worth it) Muller Damon Uehara Manny Ortiz J Tazawa

Yes, I'm not for blowing things up, BUT if we trade Betts for prospects (not ML player), then forget about 2020 and just go ahead and blow it up. Trade Price, Eovaldi, JD and JBJ.

Didn't we get the great Leonard Dinardo on rule 5? ...and Josh Rutledge!

It's interesting that Theo spoke freely of the mistakes he made in his later years with the Sox, yet he seems to be making the same ones with the Cubs- granted they were on a serious win-now mission, but that has come and gone several years ago.

The top 28 signings of all time- by total contract amount: 1. Mike Trout, $426,500,000 (2019-30) 2. Bryce Harper, $330,000,000 (2019-31) 3. Giancarlo Stanton, $325,000,000 (2015-27) 4. Manny Machado, $300,000,000 (2019-28) 5. Alex Rodriguez, $275,000,000 (2008-17) 6. Nolan Arenado, $260,000,000 (2019-26) 7. Alex Rodriguez, $252,000,000 (2001-10) 8. Miguel Cabrera, $248,000,000 (2016-23) 9. Albert Pujols, $240,000,000 (2012-21) … Robinson Cano, $240,000,000 (2014-23) 11. Joey Votto, $225,000,000 (2014-23) 12. David Price, $217,000,000 (2016-22) 13. Clayton Kershaw, $215,000,000 (2014-20) 14. Prince Fielder, $214,000,000 (2012-20) 15. Max Scherzer, $210,000,000 (2015-21) 16. Zack Greinke, $206,500,000 (2016-21) 17. Derek Jeter, $189,000,000 (2001-10) 18. Joe Mauer, $184,000,000 (2011-18) . . . Jason Heyward, $184,000,000 (2016-23) 20. Mark Teixeira, $180,000,000 (2009-16) . . . Justin Verlander, $180,000,000 (2013-19) 22. Felix Hernandez, $175,000,000 (2013-19) . . . Stephen Strasburg, $175,000,000 (2017-23) 24. Buster Posey, $167,000,000 (2013-21) 25. Jose Altuve, $163,500,000 (2018-24) 26. CC Sabathia, $161,000,000 (2009-15) . . . Chris Davis, $161,000,000 (2016-22) 28. Manny Ramirez, $160,000,000 (2001-08) The top 28 look better than the next 28: . . . Matt Kemp, $160,000,000 (2012-19) 30. Troy Tulowitzki, $157,750,000 (2011-20) 31. Masahiro Tanaka, $155,000,000 (2014-20) . . . Jon Lester, $155,000,000 (2015-20) 33. Adrian Gonzalez, $154,000,000 (2012-18) 34. Jacoby Ellsbury, $153,000,000 (2014-20) 35. Miguel Cabrera, $152,300,000 (2008-15) 36. Zack Greinke, $147,000,000 (2013-18) 37. Chris Sale, $145,000,000 (2020-24) 38. Mike Trout, $144,500,000 (2015-20) 39. Cole Hamels, $144,000,000 (2013-18) . . . Eric Hosmer, $144,000,000 (2018-25) 41. Carl Crawford, $142,000,000 (2011-17) 42. Todd Helton, $141,500,000 (2003-11) 43. Patrick Corbin, $140,000,000 (2019-24) 44. David Wright, $138,000,000 (2013-20) 45. Johan Santana, $137,500,000 (2008-13) . . . Jacob deGrom, $137,500,000 (2019-23) 47. Alfonso Soriano, $136,000,000 (2007-14) 48. Freddie Freeman, $135,000,000 (2014-21) 49. Justin Upton, $132,750,000 (2016-21) 50. Shin-Soo Choo, $130,000,000 (2014-20) . . . Johnny Cueto, $130,000,000 (2016-21) . . . Paul Goldschmidt, $130,000,000 (2020-24) 53. Matt Cain, $127,500,000 (2012-17) 54. Barry Zito, $126,000,000 (2007-13) . . . Vernon Wells, $126,000,000 (2008-14) . . . Jayson Werth, $126,000,000 (2011-17) . . . Yu Darvish, $126,000,000 (2018-23) Here's the next 28: 58. Ryan Howard, $125,000,000 (2012-16) . . . Josh Hamilton, $125,000,000 (2013-17) 60. CC Sabathia, $122,000,000 (2012-16) 61. Mike Hampton, $121,000,000 (2001-08) 62. Jason Giambi, $120,000,000 (2002-08) . . . Matt Holliday, $120,000,000 (2010-16) . . . Cliff Lee, $120,000,000 (2011-15) . . . Elvis Andrus, $120,000,000 (2015-22) . . . Xander Bogaerts, $120,000,000 (2020-25) 67. Carlos Beltran, $119,000,000 (2005-11) 68. Zack Wheeler, $118,000,000 (2020-24) 69. Ken Griffey Jr., $116,500,000 (2000-08) 70. Jordan Zimmermann, $110,000,000 (2016-20) . . . Dustin Pedroia, $110,000,000 (2014-21) . . . Yoenis Cespedes, $110,000,000 (2017-20) . . . J.D. Martinez, $110,000,000 (2018-22) 74. Charlie Blackmon, $108,000,000 (2018-23) 75. Jose Reyes, $106,000,000 (2012-17) . . . Justin Upton, $106,000,000 (2018-22) 77. Kevin Brown, $105,000,000 (1999-2005) . . . Homer Bailey, $105,000,000 (2014-19) . . . Ryan Braun, $105,000,000 (2016-20) 80. Albert Pujols, $100,000,000 (2004-10) . . . Carlos Lee, $100,000,000 (2007-12) . . . Ryan Zimmerman, $100,000,000 (2014-19) . . . Evan Longoria, $100,000,000 (2017-22) . . . Kyle Seager, $100,000,000 (2015-21) . . . Alex Bregman, $100,000,000 (2020-24) . . . Ronald Acuna, $100,000,000 (2019-26) .

They can trade all 4 plus JBJ. It just depends on what we are prepared to pay off their remaining deals or take back in salary dumps. With the massive amount of money saved, we could let Bloom do "his thing" by finding multiple lower cost FAs and bargains by trade. I'm not saying I want to blow it all up, but if we trade Betts for prospects or pre-prime players, why play it half way for 2020?

To me, if we trade Betts, especially for prospects or pre-prime players, we might as well trade all 4.

1) Everybody's HR/9 went up,last year. 2) Sale's sample sizes was rather small in 2019 to make any projections. 3) His K-rate showed he still has swing and miss stuff- whether fast or not. HR/9last 2-3 years: 0.54>2.48 Eovaldi 1.68>1.27>1.60Porcello 1.09>1.28>1.26 Price 1.01>0.63>1.47 Sale 1.25>1.09>1.06 ERod

MLBTR reports.... Giants To Hire Brian Bannister By Steve Adams | December 4, 2019 at 8:49pm CDT The Giants are set to hire Red Sox vice president of pitching development away to join their own front office, reports Jon Morosi of MLB.com (via Twitter). Bannister’s title with his new organization will be director of pitching, Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area tweets. As Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe points out (via Twitter), the new position allows Bannister to live closer to his Bay Area home and spend additional time with his wife and two children.

Blind squirrel. Broken clock.

I know you won't want to hear this, but the numbers back up your and my opinions. Career UZR/150 LF:+1.6 in 3518 innings CF: -3.4in 525 innings Career DRS: LF: +9 CF:-9

Here's a doozy 3-way I just posted on TS: Sox: Pressly, Margot, Marisnik & Myers HOU: JBJ & Walden SDP: Chavis, price, Reddick & $3M (from BOS) We'd then have 4 OF'er, not counting Myers (1B for us) and could trade Betts, if we wanted.

And, Wheeler has a longer and more severe injury history- just not recently. Sale's contract starts in 2020 at age 30. Wheeler will be 29.

I'm hoping for this: Georgia beats LSU close (I don't want Utah, Baylor or OKL to make it.) Wisconsin beats OSU badly Clemson beats Virginia Final Rankings: 1. Clemson 2. Georgia 3. Ohio St 4. LSU That's a nice, but unlikely, playoff schedule. Most likely: 1. OSU 2. LSU 3. Clemson 4. Oklahoma (Utah/Baylor)

Nobody thought we could ever dump Crawford. We could trade Price by paying part of his deal or taking back a lesser salary dump-type player (Price for Myers suggestion). I wouldn't trade Sale. Eovaldi's injury history has not changed much since when we signed him last year, so I think there is a market for him, even if we have to pay some of his contract or take some salary back. Maybe Eovaldi and $2M a year for Reddick and Marisnik, then we trade JBJ & Betts for pitching.

Yes, teams in great need of a SP'er might "overpay" for one of our oft-injured starters in hopes of guessing right.

Well, if we get a good, low-cost ML player or two with 3+ years of team control as part of the return, I can see not including a "top prospect."

Wheeler vs Eovaldi: Last 2 years: Wheeler (378 IP) 23-15 3.65 (107 ERA+, 1.19 WHIP, 3.6 K/BB) Eovaldi (179 IP) 8-8 4.63 (97 ERA+, 1.30 WHIP, 3.1 K/BB) Last 3 years: Wheeler (464 IP) 26-22 3.94 (100 ERA+, 1.27 WHIP, 3.1 K/BB) Eovaldi (179 IP) 8-8 4.63 (97 ERA+, 1.30 WHIP, 3.1 K/BB) Last 5 years: Wheeler (464 IP) 26-22 3.94 (100 ERA+, 1.27 WHIP, 3.1 K/BB) Eovaldi (458 IP) 31-19 4.52 (95 ERA+, 1.35 WHIP, 2.7 K/BB) Even the 5 year numbers are not really close, except for the IP. Still, if Wheeler is worth $118M/5, Eovaldi's deal looks like a bargain.

Wow, $18M/1. No way Porcello gets just $8M/1 as some said he might take.

They have 6 roster slots on the 40 man, and depending on us trading JBJ (or other), we might have a couple more. As for the 26 man roster, I see only 18 sure bets with one being Lin by default. Sale, Price, ERod, Eovaldi, DHern Workman, Barnes, Taylor, Walden Vaz Chavis Lin Bogey Devers Beni JBJ Betts JD That's basically 8 slots open, not counting a likely JBJ trade. Add Hembree, Velazquez & Brasier or some other in-system RP'er, and we still have 5 slots: 1B 2B OF SP Rule 5 guy or another SP'er

I'm not for moving Devers, but I will say this- nothing seems to faze this kid. High pressure situations, going through some bad slumps and having some very difficult stretches in the field- he's bounced back from all of them with an air of superior confidence in himself. I'm not expert on psychology, but if I had to pick one guy on the Sox (other than Betts) who could handle a major position change without it creating issues, it would be Devers. For one who seems to love Devers more than anyone here, you seem to have little faith in his ability to adjust. Maybe I love him more! Lol!

You keep tooting this same horn, and I'm not going to say I know more about injuries than you, but I still think Sale is going to surprise you. He may have to re-invent himself a little bit, but he started to last year, and had his highest K rate ever while pitching with this issue. There is reason for hope, but certainly we Sox fans must be ready for disappointment as well.

I have loved Devers from day 1 in the Gulf league. Yes, I was one who thought he should probably be moved to 1B, but I have always said he should get a chance to prove himself at 3B, first. He is improving a lot, so I am currently not for moving him, and I love the kid. BTW, he's a very good baserunner. He has good instincts on the basepaths, and is twice the runner Beni is- not even counting speed.

I said "It is not the right thing to do" to move Devers to 1B, even if our defense would be improved. Dalbec is rated much higher than "adequate" at 3B, and while Devers greatly improved his defense, last year, and may continue improving, let's not kid ourselves. He started near the worst in MLB and has moved up to adequate or maybe a little better. Again, I'm NOT for moving Devers to 1B, right now, but I do believe, from what I've heard and read, Dalbec is a better defensive 3Bman at this moment in time.

Trading Price for Myers is probably the best way to recoup some of the money and still have some hope on better-than-meager returns. (I'd even throw in Chavis and more, if we can get Margot also.)