moonslav59
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If we trade Betts for vets or ML ready prospects, then it not a 2020 "white flag." While we had injuries last year, the Yanks had way more, so expecting us to pass them, next year, especially after they sign Cole or Stasburg is really a stretch. It's not impossible, but I'm leaning towards maximizing our turn-around by beginning sooner rather than later. Reset in 2020 and go all out for 2021 or 2022 more likely.
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I see your point, but I just don't think all the things that need to go right will. Although we still won despite Sale & Kimbrel not helping much in the playoffs, they were essential to us getting to the playoffs. Kimbrel & Kelly are gone. Workman may be a good replacement for Kelly, but we're still short in the pen. Sale's outlook for 2020 is worse than 2018. Price's, too. Eovaldi's, too. No Porcello. No Moreland, Holt & Nunez. It's not really the same team. Most of the bid names are still here, but they are not the same. Can they be? Maybe. Should we wait to see before dismantling the team? Probably. Will we wait? Probably. Will we all come together for one last hurrah? Highly unlikely. (Just my opinions.)
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No, it's unproven quality, but never the less, it has tangible trade value. Even "proven" vets are a risk, though, and there's a certain amount of potential value or loss of value attached to them, too. It's like the posters who champion the Pomeranz trade, because Espinoza has not amounted to squat, so far. The kid had enormous value, back then. It might have been used to trade for someone else. It might have been used within our own system had he not gotten hurt. We traded Buttrey for a proven quality. We traded Beeks for Eovaldi.
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That is true. Even the years they went to the WS and lost, it was surprising- 1967 more than any. I did think we had a good shot after the Nomar trade in 2004. I liked our 2007 team, but after losing in 2005 and 2006, I wasn't super confident. I thought we were playing it "halfway" (the term I used back then) in 2013. That was a surprise, but the whole "perfect storm" argument is not really true. The fact is many players had better seasons in 2012 or 2014. I loved our 2018 club and was a believer from day 1. The fact that our current team is not much different from 2018, other than injury histories, does make a strong argument for not "blowing things up," so that's what I think we'll just trade JBJ this winter, look to reset, but wait to the deadline to decide to make one last push or trade 3-4 vets.
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I'd be fine with Broxton, but he's never had an .800+ season. He hasn't been over .719 since his first season. He has a .565 OPS the last 2 years. While Jake's is not great (.689), it's much better than that!
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I'll say one thing, all of those 4 teams had starting pitchers than no team from the previous 3 decades had.
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Yes, and potential have real value. Look what some teams can get for that potential.
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Yes, they have one of the deepest rosters in MLB, if not THE deepest. In all liklihood, they might be looking for a 2 or 3 for 1 deal the other way, so they can add some prospects to the 40 man roster or sign a vet to an area of need without having to DFA a talented player/prospect.
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They say minus $60. The thing about Price is that he still pitches every year. He might have had more IP'd this year had we been in the race. While 109 IP is not good, he's had just one season under that in his whole career (2017). While 282 IP over the past 2 years sucks, within the context of MLB, he placed 70th in IP. If you figure there are 150 rotation slots in MLB (30 teams x 5 pitchers), he's above the mean.
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He's cheap. He's a great defensive OF'er. He's got a .728 OPS over the last 3 years- about the same as JBJ's. Yes, there are plenty of players like him out there. I bring his name up a lot, because I live in Houston and like his style of play and his grit. I'd be fine with us obtaining someone like him while saving $8-10M, assuming we deal JBJ.
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The Rays save maybe about $5M on the deal.
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Like with the Yanks this year? There are many ways to win. The Royals proved you can win with only a great pen as their only clear strength. Other teams have shown they can win with great pens or rotations or line-ups. Most winners are pretty good to very good at 2-3 of the 4 major categories. Some have won by being plus at all 4. Too many people say, "You can't win with a weak _____," but it's just not true.
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I do think Price has more value than many give to him. Sure, he's not worth $96M/3, but he'd probably get $42-48M/3 on this current open market.
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Pineda is signing with the Twins for $20M/2. Wheeler just signed for $118/5. Makes men wonder,if there are any bargain deals out therefor SP'ers. What will Porcello make? 2017-2019 WAR Pitcher (IP) 9.2 Wheeler (464) 6.9 T Roark(527) 6.2 Porcello (569) 4.6 Cashner (470 4.5 J Chacin (476) 4.2 W Miley (405) 3.6 Pineda (242)
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It's all good 5GG. That trade site isn't supposed to be used to evaluate who is better. It's about trade value, which includes alot of things beyond skilllevel. I'm not a big Shaughnessy fan,but I do agree this could very well turn into a "bridge year," but many felt like 2013 was a bridge year. (I thought dumping DD was the right thing very early,too.)
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Tome, the trade simulator is just a fun way to throw trade ideas around. Looking at the Braves team,one can be blown away by the values placed on so many players and prospects they have: (Sox players in red) 200 Acuna 176 Albies 127 Devers 91 Bogaerts 79 Pache 70 Soroka 57 Waters 50 Devers 49 Riley 37 Freeman 36 Beni 32 Swanson 31 Anderson 28 ERod 25 Barnes 25 Casas 23 Vazquez 21 Wright 19 Dalbec 18 Chavis 16 Mata 15 Langeleriers 15 Muller 14 Shewmake 13 Newcomb 12 Toussaint 12 Duran 11 D Hernandez 10 Davidson
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It's 'Acuna Matada for God's sake! Seriously though, his value is based on alot of positive things all adding into one massive number. He turns 22 soon and already has over 1200 PAs. He's got 9 years of team control at an ungodly low price: 20:$1M, 21:$5M, 22:$15M, 23:$17M, 24:$17M, 25:$17M, 26:$17M, 27:$17M club option ($10M buyout), 28:$17M club option. He has a career .897 OPS with 67 HRs in 1202 PAs. He became a plus UZR OF'erin 2019. When you look at the trade value of someone like Betts (50 value),who has just 1 year of team control and will be paid about $28M, one could argue it's Betts who has an inflated value not Acuna (200 value).
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Speaking of the trade simulator, I think they have these Sox players rated too highly, so that's why I have involved them in a lot of trades (Or, I think they may be due for an decline year in 2020): Trade Value - Player 17.7 Chavis 12.1 Duran 5.8 Walden
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Would you trade JBJ, Eovaldi & Walden for Familia, W Ramos & Marisnik?
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Pretty amazing that the only year Papi led the league in SLG% and OPS was his final year at age 40! (It was also the only year he led in doubles.)
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Jake Marisnik traded to the Mets for scraps. There goes one guy I thought we could replace JBJ with at little cost.
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I couldn't agree more. Here's what I was able to do playing around on the trade simulator site: JD, Chavis & Duran to the White Sox for Kopech & Collins ©. Betts & Eovaldi to LAD for Gonsolin Price, Walden & $3M (maybe add JBJ) to SDP for Margot & Myers We'd be set up nicely to make a run at Betts for 2021. Lots of budget space and a good rotation with Sale, ERod, Gonsolin & Kopech. We'd be overpaying for Myers, who could play 1B or OF, but he costs way less than Price & Eovaldi.
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True, but I didn't want to create 16 categories.
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It was not accepted because of being lop-sided not because of the 1.10 difference. It will accept differences larger than that.
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They've all agreed to call me, if they are deadlocked. (I suggest the ask Cora.)
