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They say minus $60. The thing about Price is that he still pitches every year. He might have had more IP'd this year had we been in the race. While 109 IP is not good, he's had just one season under that in his whole career (2017). While 282 IP over the past 2 years sucks, within the context of MLB, he placed 70th in IP. If you figure there are 150 rotation slots in MLB (30 teams x 5 pitchers), he's above the mean.

He's cheap. He's a great defensive OF'er. He's got a .728 OPS over the last 3 years- about the same as JBJ's. Yes, there are plenty of players like him out there. I bring his name up a lot, because I live in Houston and like his style of play and his grit. I'd be fine with us obtaining someone like him while saving $8-10M, assuming we deal JBJ.

The Rays save maybe about $5M on the deal.

Like with the Yanks this year? There are many ways to win. The Royals proved you can win with only a great pen as their only clear strength. Other teams have shown they can win with great pens or rotations or line-ups. Most winners are pretty good to very good at 2-3 of the 4 major categories. Some have won by being plus at all 4. Too many people say, "You can't win with a weak _____," but it's just not true.

I do think Price has more value than many give to him. Sure, he's not worth $96M/3, but he'd probably get $42-48M/3 on this current open market.

Pineda is signing with the Twins for $20M/2. Wheeler just signed for $118/5. Makes men wonder,if there are any bargain deals out therefor SP'ers. What will Porcello make? 2017-2019 WAR Pitcher (IP) 9.2 Wheeler (464) 6.9 T Roark(527) 6.2 Porcello (569) 4.6 Cashner (470 4.5 J Chacin (476) 4.2 W Miley (405) 3.6 Pineda (242)

It's all good 5GG. That trade site isn't supposed to be used to evaluate who is better. It's about trade value, which includes alot of things beyond skilllevel. I'm not a big Shaughnessy fan,but I do agree this could very well turn into a "bridge year," but many felt like 2013 was a bridge year. (I thought dumping DD was the right thing very early,too.)

Tome, the trade simulator is just a fun way to throw trade ideas around. Looking at the Braves team,one can be blown away by the values placed on so many players and prospects they have: (Sox players in red) 200 Acuna 176 Albies 127 Devers 91 Bogaerts 79 Pache 70 Soroka 57 Waters 50 Devers 49 Riley 37 Freeman 36 Beni 32 Swanson 31 Anderson 28 ERod 25 Barnes 25 Casas 23 Vazquez 21 Wright 19 Dalbec 18 Chavis 16 Mata 15 Langeleriers 15 Muller 14 Shewmake 13 Newcomb 12 Toussaint 12 Duran 11 D Hernandez 10 Davidson

It's 'Acuna Matada for God's sake! Seriously though, his value is based on alot of positive things all adding into one massive number. He turns 22 soon and already has over 1200 PAs. He's got 9 years of team control at an ungodly low price: 20:$1M, 21:$5M, 22:$15M, 23:$17M, 24:$17M, 25:$17M, 26:$17M, 27:$17M club option ($10M buyout), 28:$17M club option. He has a career .897 OPS with 67 HRs in 1202 PAs. He became a plus UZR OF'erin 2019. When you look at the trade value of someone like Betts (50 value),who has just 1 year of team control and will be paid about $28M, one could argue it's Betts who has an inflated value not Acuna (200 value).

Speaking of the trade simulator, I think they have these Sox players rated too highly, so that's why I have involved them in a lot of trades (Or, I think they may be due for an decline year in 2020): Trade Value - Player 17.7 Chavis 12.1 Duran 5.8 Walden

Would you trade JBJ, Eovaldi & Walden for Familia, W Ramos & Marisnik?

Pretty amazing that the only year Papi led the league in SLG% and OPS was his final year at age 40! (It was also the only year he led in doubles.)

Jake Marisnik traded to the Mets for scraps. There goes one guy I thought we could replace JBJ with at little cost.

I couldn't agree more. Here's what I was able to do playing around on the trade simulator site: JD, Chavis & Duran to the White Sox for Kopech & Collins ©. Betts & Eovaldi to LAD for Gonsolin Price, Walden & $3M (maybe add JBJ) to SDP for Margot & Myers We'd be set up nicely to make a run at Betts for 2021. Lots of budget space and a good rotation with Sale, ERod, Gonsolin & Kopech. We'd be overpaying for Myers, who could play 1B or OF, but he costs way less than Price & Eovaldi.

True, but I didn't want to create 16 categories.

It was not accepted because of being lop-sided not because of the 1.10 difference. It will accept differences larger than that.

They've all agreed to call me, if they are deadlocked. (I suggest the ask Cora.)

Here's how I see our biggest FA signings or re-signings (Some were not all bad or all good- these are overall grades.): This is not a complete list. Add names, if you think of some... Bad to Bust Brad Penny John Smoltz Mike Cameron Clement Jenks Dawson Steve Avery Tony Perez JT Snow Jack Clark Offerman Matt Young Lugo Renteria Sizemore HanRam Rusney Castillo Sandoval Crawford Not Bad or close to Bad Ramiro Ramirez T Saito Dice-K Danny Darwin Pokey Reese Jonny Gomes Ryan Dempster Decent Mike Torrez Jeff Reardon Alex Gonzalez Lackey Cody Ross Adrian Gonzalez A.Aceves A. Ogando Chris Young Price Stephen Drew (first signing) Victorino (first year made it worth it) JD Drew Porcello AGon Fister Moreland Good to Great Bill Campbell Okajima Moncada (Got us Sale) Napoli (first signing) Beltre Foulke (first year made it worth it) Muller Damon Uehara Manny Ortiz J Tazawa

Yes, I'm not for blowing things up, BUT if we trade Betts for prospects (not ML player), then forget about 2020 and just go ahead and blow it up. Trade Price, Eovaldi, JD and JBJ.

Didn't we get the great Leonard Dinardo on rule 5? ...and Josh Rutledge!

It's interesting that Theo spoke freely of the mistakes he made in his later years with the Sox, yet he seems to be making the same ones with the Cubs- granted they were on a serious win-now mission, but that has come and gone several years ago.

The top 28 signings of all time- by total contract amount: 1. Mike Trout, $426,500,000 (2019-30) 2. Bryce Harper, $330,000,000 (2019-31) 3. Giancarlo Stanton, $325,000,000 (2015-27) 4. Manny Machado, $300,000,000 (2019-28) 5. Alex Rodriguez, $275,000,000 (2008-17) 6. Nolan Arenado, $260,000,000 (2019-26) 7. Alex Rodriguez, $252,000,000 (2001-10) 8. Miguel Cabrera, $248,000,000 (2016-23) 9. Albert Pujols, $240,000,000 (2012-21) … Robinson Cano, $240,000,000 (2014-23) 11. Joey Votto, $225,000,000 (2014-23) 12. David Price, $217,000,000 (2016-22) 13. Clayton Kershaw, $215,000,000 (2014-20) 14. Prince Fielder, $214,000,000 (2012-20) 15. Max Scherzer, $210,000,000 (2015-21) 16. Zack Greinke, $206,500,000 (2016-21) 17. Derek Jeter, $189,000,000 (2001-10) 18. Joe Mauer, $184,000,000 (2011-18) . . . Jason Heyward, $184,000,000 (2016-23) 20. Mark Teixeira, $180,000,000 (2009-16) . . . Justin Verlander, $180,000,000 (2013-19) 22. Felix Hernandez, $175,000,000 (2013-19) . . . Stephen Strasburg, $175,000,000 (2017-23) 24. Buster Posey, $167,000,000 (2013-21) 25. Jose Altuve, $163,500,000 (2018-24) 26. CC Sabathia, $161,000,000 (2009-15) . . . Chris Davis, $161,000,000 (2016-22) 28. Manny Ramirez, $160,000,000 (2001-08) The top 28 look better than the next 28: . . . Matt Kemp, $160,000,000 (2012-19) 30. Troy Tulowitzki, $157,750,000 (2011-20) 31. Masahiro Tanaka, $155,000,000 (2014-20) . . . Jon Lester, $155,000,000 (2015-20) 33. Adrian Gonzalez, $154,000,000 (2012-18) 34. Jacoby Ellsbury, $153,000,000 (2014-20) 35. Miguel Cabrera, $152,300,000 (2008-15) 36. Zack Greinke, $147,000,000 (2013-18) 37. Chris Sale, $145,000,000 (2020-24) 38. Mike Trout, $144,500,000 (2015-20) 39. Cole Hamels, $144,000,000 (2013-18) . . . Eric Hosmer, $144,000,000 (2018-25) 41. Carl Crawford, $142,000,000 (2011-17) 42. Todd Helton, $141,500,000 (2003-11) 43. Patrick Corbin, $140,000,000 (2019-24) 44. David Wright, $138,000,000 (2013-20) 45. Johan Santana, $137,500,000 (2008-13) . . . Jacob deGrom, $137,500,000 (2019-23) 47. Alfonso Soriano, $136,000,000 (2007-14) 48. Freddie Freeman, $135,000,000 (2014-21) 49. Justin Upton, $132,750,000 (2016-21) 50. Shin-Soo Choo, $130,000,000 (2014-20) . . . Johnny Cueto, $130,000,000 (2016-21) . . . Paul Goldschmidt, $130,000,000 (2020-24) 53. Matt Cain, $127,500,000 (2012-17) 54. Barry Zito, $126,000,000 (2007-13) . . . Vernon Wells, $126,000,000 (2008-14) . . . Jayson Werth, $126,000,000 (2011-17) . . . Yu Darvish, $126,000,000 (2018-23) Here's the next 28: 58. Ryan Howard, $125,000,000 (2012-16) . . . Josh Hamilton, $125,000,000 (2013-17) 60. CC Sabathia, $122,000,000 (2012-16) 61. Mike Hampton, $121,000,000 (2001-08) 62. Jason Giambi, $120,000,000 (2002-08) . . . Matt Holliday, $120,000,000 (2010-16) . . . Cliff Lee, $120,000,000 (2011-15) . . . Elvis Andrus, $120,000,000 (2015-22) . . . Xander Bogaerts, $120,000,000 (2020-25) 67. Carlos Beltran, $119,000,000 (2005-11) 68. Zack Wheeler, $118,000,000 (2020-24) 69. Ken Griffey Jr., $116,500,000 (2000-08) 70. Jordan Zimmermann, $110,000,000 (2016-20) . . . Dustin Pedroia, $110,000,000 (2014-21) . . . Yoenis Cespedes, $110,000,000 (2017-20) . . . J.D. Martinez, $110,000,000 (2018-22) 74. Charlie Blackmon, $108,000,000 (2018-23) 75. Jose Reyes, $106,000,000 (2012-17) . . . Justin Upton, $106,000,000 (2018-22) 77. Kevin Brown, $105,000,000 (1999-2005) . . . Homer Bailey, $105,000,000 (2014-19) . . . Ryan Braun, $105,000,000 (2016-20) 80. Albert Pujols, $100,000,000 (2004-10) . . . Carlos Lee, $100,000,000 (2007-12) . . . Ryan Zimmerman, $100,000,000 (2014-19) . . . Evan Longoria, $100,000,000 (2017-22) . . . Kyle Seager, $100,000,000 (2015-21) . . . Alex Bregman, $100,000,000 (2020-24) . . . Ronald Acuna, $100,000,000 (2019-26) .

They can trade all 4 plus JBJ. It just depends on what we are prepared to pay off their remaining deals or take back in salary dumps. With the massive amount of money saved, we could let Bloom do "his thing" by finding multiple lower cost FAs and bargains by trade. I'm not saying I want to blow it all up, but if we trade Betts for prospects or pre-prime players, why play it half way for 2020?

To me, if we trade Betts, especially for prospects or pre-prime players, we might as well trade all 4.

1) Everybody's HR/9 went up,last year. 2) Sale's sample sizes was rather small in 2019 to make any projections. 3) His K-rate showed he still has swing and miss stuff- whether fast or not. HR/9last 2-3 years: 0.54>2.48 Eovaldi 1.68>1.27>1.60Porcello 1.09>1.28>1.26 Price 1.01>0.63>1.47 Sale 1.25>1.09>1.06 ERod