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Glen & Trevor Hoffman Carney and Jody Lansford Spike Owen had a brother in MLB Jose & Ozzie Canseco Drew & Stu Pomeranz Denny & Brian Doyle Marty & Tom Barrett Mike and Rob Andrews Garin & Gavin Cecchini Tony Armas and can't remember his brother's name. Danny Darwin and ??? Otis Nixon and ??? Adam and Andy LaRoche Alex and Joey Cora

Fathers and Sons... Marc & Haywood Sullivan Damon Buford (Don was his father.) Kevin Romine had two sons play in MLB. Edwin Escobar (I know his father played, but I don't know his name) Didn't Jose Tartabull have a son play? Dick Schofield had a son play in MLB. So did Diego Segui. Lew Krause Jr. (Played with the Brewers while I lived in Milwaukee, then was traded to the Sox. His dad played a little somewhere.) Tony Pena had two sons play in MLB. Does Terry Francona count? (Tito was his dad.)

Agreed, but I doubt Cora thought he was trashing Beni. I can see how Beni will think he was.

Smart man.

He's nice to have but not at that price. I hope he earns it, this year and next.

Good point, but Eovaldi has just 2 years left, and Sale has 4. I'd still rather have Sale and his remaining deal over Eovaldi's.

If he was his "normal self" at the end of 2018, he'd have gotten a much bigger contract. Maybe you wouldn't have loved that.

Me, too, but we were talking about ... Chris Feakin' Sale! I really like ERod, but he is no Chris Sale. Will he get close to what what Sale or Corbin got? Bauer got $102M/3. ERod is no Bauer, either, but maybe the longer deals will come back into fashion, soon.

More good news!

...and I agree with his sentiments.

I agree Corbin is a much better comp, but I was just curious why many want to extend ERod (me too) but many hated the Sale deal.

I read what Cora said, and he did say it was Beni’s choice, but he did not say “against team” wishes.

That contract is similar to Sale’s. The only similarity between Sale and ERod is the health issues.

Maybe the "against their will" was the poison pill they refused to swallow.

I have studied the velo charts very deeply. The guy finished in the top 6 CYA voting every year from 2012-2016 and ERA+ in 2014. He also pitched more innings per season from 2012-2016 than from 2017-2019. 1,016 IP from 2012-2016 is 203 per season. He had 371 IP from 2017-2018 or about 185 IP per season. The 2012-2016 Sale was a tremendous pitcher. Yes, his overall numbers were better with Boston before getting hurt, but reverting back to CWS numbers would still be great. He lead the league in K/BB in 2015, K/9 in 2014 & 2015.

Thanks for finally responding to the actual points being made. I would still like some further response. For several posts you pointed out that Sale's velo being at 92-93, which is less than it was from 2017-2019, is a sign that he is toast or likely toast or he will likely never be what he used to be again. 92-93 was his velocity from 2013-2016, and he was a tremendous pitcher, then. If he can come back to 92-93, why can't he be great again? Look, I get the shoulder issue could force another extended down time or surgery. I get he may never be the same, but you seem so sure he can't be great at 92-93, and who knows, maybe he can get back to 94-95 after this surgery and extended rest to the shoulder.

Can you, for once, please address the point about Sale being very effective before his spike in velocity once he joined Boston, and why he cannot be as successful as he was with the CWS with the velocity he had then and you expect going forward? He doesn't need 2018 velocity to be great. He proved that with the CWS. Nobody is saying "There is nothing to see here." We are all concerned about Sale's health and future outlook. The loss of velocity is an issue, but how much did he lose, and what will it be after he returns?

I'm all for extending Devers- large and long. I think ERod should be given a serious offer to extend, but I'm not sure even an offer like Sale got is called for. I think Sale is going to prove a lot of doubters wrong. They guy is a fierce competitor. I know that doesn't help, if his arm is hanging by a thread, but many pitchers come back from the surgery he had and do well. I'm more than hopeful. I am confident he contributes in a big way going forward.

The concerns about Covid effects are different, but are they less concerning, especially from someone who had serious effects already? There are several very concerning studies that show serious lingering effects to those hit hard by Covid. Nobody knows for sure one way or the other, but ERod has never been nearly as good as Sale, and he only had one season (2019), where he seemed to master his high pitch count to IP ratio and gives us more than 138 IP in a season. Sale was much better and maybe had much bigger health concerns, so do you extend ERod to the same contract given to Sale?

One more reason to start the season with 13 pitchers not 14.

It "already has been?" The extension started in 2020.

I thought the Eovaldi deal was too large and 2 years too long, but I get the loyalty angle. However, extending players after just a great playoff showing rarely works in any sport. My point on signing ERod was about extending him now or very soon- knowing he has health concerns. How is doing so much different that the Sale extension was?

Thanks for the honesty. I loved the Sale extension and hope we can extend ERod before he wins the CYA, this year.

Nice to see some pitchers rounding into form.

9 pen arms of which 3 can go 3-5 IP every 3-5 days and another 3 can go 2-3 IP every 2-4 days. Are we talking 1-3 IP by all our starters over the first 2 weeks? Let's look at the first 12 games in 14 days and assume the starters average giving us a putrid 3 IP on average. That leaves 6 IP x 12 games in 14 days. That's 72 IP, which is a number that is likely significantly more than could ever be expected. Let's start with the short relievers and go to longer ones. With 2 days off in the first 2 weeks, our 1 inning -mostly every other day guys, Barnes & Ottavino could both pitch in 8-9 games each. That's 17 IP from those two alone. That leaves 55 IP. Let's go to pitchers who can go 1-2 IP every other day or about 9-12 IP every 14 days. DHern, Sawamura, Taylor, Brice and Brewer/Valdez fit this profile. That's 5 pitchers x 10 IP= 50 total.That leaves 5 IP total, over 14 days, for our two long guys: Andriese & Whitlock. Together they could give 3-5 IP every 4-5 days or a total of 22-28 IP combined over those 14 days for a surplus on 17-23 innings from the pen. I'm just not seeing us coming close to needing 9 pen arms. If our starters are giving us 1-2 IP, we simply call up Houck or Valdez/Brewer or activate Brasier.