moonslav59

My point was that this has already been a near total rebuild. There is still a ways to go to get back to top dog.

I know all about the history of mega inning pitchers. My question was about how these guys looked the first 2 times through a lineup vs the 3rd and 4th times. I’m pretty sure they did better, but maybe by not as much as we think and nobody came up with idea to yank them early.

I’m kinda the same. Take 2019; I was maybe the first to give up on them, but I still watched every play of every game and had fun. 4 rings in my lifetime is 3-4 more than I thought I’d ever see.

I’ll be mildly disappointed when we are done for the year. We did better than I expected and look good/ better going into next year.

Even 3-3 makes us maybe 50-50, but I guess I see that as close to a total meltdown when you look at who we are playing and we can’t go 4-2.

What made that call even worse was all the other really bad calls - almost all against the Sox.

I wonder whether people go negative just to never be overly disappointed.

It would take a total meltdown for us to miss out. It’s more about who else makes it and where the game is played.

Many of the RPers signed, last winter did not do well. It’s not always about spending the most. The Rays never do.

Joe West is retiring. Too late.

I got the point the first time. I was just wondering what the numbers were like back in the day.

Sale vs TBR, this year: 9.2 IP 3 ERs 2.79 ERA The 16 hits and 3BB are scary, but where did you get your ERA numbers?

I think Bloom looks for an under the radar RP'er or two who were not even closers, this year, but he thinks can do the job, next year, then, he'll go with Houck and they will be set-up men. We spend big on starters.

Ready to pitch 70-80 pitches is different than ready to pitch 100-110. I'm glad we didn't wait until he was able to go 110. We'd be 3-4 down by now.

I think you mean, they would be different, since they paced themselves, right?

As mush as it seems like we should hope the Jays lose to increase our playoff chances. I'm rooting for the Yanks to lose.

I like the old ways, too. It would be interesting to go back and see the numbers of starters the third time through "back in the day" and see if things have gotten worse, or they just didn't notice or care about it back then.

Players on the 40 man roster not even in the Sox system in Oct of 2018: Whitlock Kike Verdugo Renfroe Pivetta Arroyo Seabold Davis Sawamura Valdez Cordero Arauz Wong Rosario Plawecki Potts Munoz Schwarber Richards Robles Iggy Ottavino Shaw Perez Santana That's 25 new players in 2+ years. If you count Eovaldi, Brasier and Duran as mid 2018 additions, we have 28 out of 40 players not in the Sox organization before June 2018. Several top prospects were acquired after the start of 2018, too: 1. Casas 2. Mayer 3. Yorke 4. Duran (on 40) 5. Downs (on 40) 8. Seabold 10. Jordan 12. Murphy 13. Bonaci 14. W Gonzalez 15. Song 16. Winckowski 17. Bleis 18. Ward 19. Wong (on 40) 20. Lugo 21. Paulino 22. R Hernandez

We're still up one on the Jays and now down one on the Yanks. The Yanks and Jays play 3, so somebody has to lose 2-3 games. If we can sweep the O's, we are guaranteed to be up on someone. Assume a sweep of the O's: Yanks sweep, we are up 4 on the Jays and still down 1 to NY. Yanks win 2, we are up 3 on the Jays and tied with the Yanks Yanks win 1, we are up 2 on the Jays and one on the Yanks. Yanks win 0, we are up 1 on the Jays and 2 on the Yanks. If we just win 2 of 3 vs the O's... Yanks sweep, we are up 3 on the Jays and down 2 on the Yanks. Yanks win 2, we are up 2 on the Jays and down 1 with the Yanks Yanks win 1, we are up 1 on the Jays and tied with the Yanks. Yanks win 0, we are tied the Jays and up 1 on the Yanks. The worst we can be is up 1 in the WC2 race. God forbid, we win just 1 out of 3 vs the O's... Yanks sweep, we are up 2 on the Jays and down 3 on the Yanks. Yanks win 2, we are up 1 on the Jays and down 2 with the Yanks Yanks win 1, we are tied with the Jays and down 1 to the Yanks. Yanks win 0, we are down 1 to the Jays and tied with the Yanks. The worst we can be is tied for the last slot, even if we lose 2 out of 3 to the O's. (This is not counting the Ms or A's, who play each other, next.)

If the numbers show a pitcher gets crushed the third time through a line-up are you guys saying keep the guy in out of some sort of macho act or tradition- keeping philosophy? I can just imagine the game threads after Cora leaves a starter in to get drilled.

The guy is coming off TJS. He probably could go 6 or 7, but I'm glad they haven't pushed him , too much. I do think he might be ready to go a little longer in his next start or two. BTW, he did go 6 on Sept 1st and 5 or more every start but one.

As late as September 13th, the talk was how the Jays looked like a lock- coming off a 12-1 run (and 15-2), only to then go 6-6 and lose ground to the streaking Yanks and Sox. On August 27th, jacko and many posters were anointing the Yanks as the clear WC winner and maybe even division winner after winning 13 in a row. They followed that up with a 2-11 run. Now, they win 6 in a row, and people act like they can't lose again. (BTW, before winning the last 6, they went 1-3 vs BAL & CLE and lost 2 of 3 to the Mets not longer before that. You know, the team we just swept.) Baseball is one of the most unpredictable sports. Going by recent results is about as bad as flipping a coin.

To you, everything is black or white- no grays. It's possible to not feel great or 100% defeated. I'm confident we make the playoffs and think it's pretty close to 50-50 we get home field, since we own the tie-breaker vs NYY and TOR. Yes, MLB does not go by head to head since July 30th.

Okay, so it's 8 not 7 out of 40. Makes a big difference, right?

We'll probably end up with robo umps in just the NL.