moonslav59
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Maybe Houck or Whitlock will be this year's Koji.
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Has he been on the IL much, already? If yes, was it for the condition the Sox were concerned about? -
4/27 SOX @ Jays 7:07PM ET
moonslav59 replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
With Plawecki starting over Vazquez, we still have not seen the "best nine" in any line-up, so far this year. This is the closest. (Who gets tomorrow off?) -
You shouldn't have asked.
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Checking out a wart on my ass! It's old and it's red.
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While true in one sense, the statement is a bit misleading. Uehara was not a lights out closer when he came to the Sox. He wasn't even a closer. In fact, he was the third closer we tried in 2013. Still, he was lights out, but maybe our 3rd closer this year will be, too. LOL! Kimbrel was a lights out closer, except for an important part of 2018. Some claimed we won despite his playoff performance, that year. Again, he was a lights out closer but with an asterisk. 2018 playoffs: 10.2 IP 9 H (2 HR) 8 BB 10 K 7 ER (5.89 ERA) 1.589 WHIP
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Except more money? Pay no attention to the man behind the cutain.
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Exactly, and of course, mistakes have been made and maybe we could have done more (or less) here or there to have maybe won 5 rings, but maybe those changes might have created only 3 rings. I don't expect going all in, every year. We saw the affects of 2018, and I'm not so sure going "ALL" in will happen again.
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I'm not either, but the plan has brought us rings, and I'm thinking it will again, once the higher ups deem a season a "go for it" one.
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Well, that ain't happening. It appears they recognize when they have a better chance, some years, and they choose to put more into those years or windows. You can like that or dislike it, but to me, that seems to be the way it is. I'm not going to argue with a strategy that brought us 4 rings in 2 decades after battle crying "Wait til next year" for over 3 decades and getting nothing.
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Well, that is $16M and hardly nothing. A great deal has been made abut the farm DD traded not doing so well, since the trades, and that has been mostly true, except for Moncada, Kopech and Margot plus some marginal values, but what do we still have left to show for those trades? Could we have gotten players with more years of team control? I'm not trying to relitigate the trades, but they did affect the team we have now, and I won't even count Sale or Eovaldi, since thy were extended after the trades. Plus, going over the lux line does not mean we didn't limit some spending due to past expenses and possibly counting Sale & Eovaldi's costs, now.
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Indeed.
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So, no affects from going all in in 2018? Really? None?
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Mine, too. I only mentioned the A's starters, because it was well-known they were being shopped and the return for Manaea was rather weak. He had a BTV of about 14. I suggested many trades accepted by BTV. Herer were some: Downs for Manaea & Piscotty (Neg 8.6 value) Duran, Dalbec, Downs, Lugo & Wong for Manaea, Langeliers & Trivino Duran & Jordan for Manaea, Pache & Trivino But, I also once suggested Wikelman, Jordan and Seabold for Manaea & Trivino Bassitt had a value around 17. I once offered Mata, Winckowski, Seabold & Sawamura for Bassitt, Piscotty & Trivino
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Had we traded for Bassitt and or Manaea, Houck and or Whitlock would still be in the pen.
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The two prospects are doing very well. Plus... 2022 fWAR 0.1 JBJ 0.1 Renfroe And I was one who scratched his head over this trade and got scalped for doing so.
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Agreed, and we are still feeling the affects of the last time we went "all in." Finding the happy medium is what I think we are looking for, but I don't think the top brass viewed 2021 or 2022 as a year to even approach going "all in." Maybe 2023 or 2024, if ever again.
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You say it well.
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If pitchers were axed over tiny sample sizes like this, nobody would be left. I'm not saying I think he's good- just that he's likely better than 2-3 guys in the pen, right now, and I might add Diekman to that list, soon.
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The day after we signed him, I went on record as saying it was a bad signing, and why 2 years, when hardly anyone gets that from Bloom.
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He was okay in '19 (101 ERA+/ 1.29 WHIP/ .722 OPS Against) and had just 37 IP from '20-'21, due mostly to injuries. I'm not tooting his horn, but I'd axe 2-3 other guys before him.
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I think with Kike being a FA after this year, and JBJ's offense being a huge question mark, keeping Duran made some sense. I doubt it would have taken much to get Manaea.
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The starters have now caught up... Game by Game Breakdown Starters IP/ER vs Relievers IP/ER SP- RP L 5.0/3 - 5.0/1 (2 ghost runs allowed) L 5.2/4 - 2.1/0 W 3.1/3 - 5.2/1 L 4.1/1 - 3.2/2 W 4.1/3 - 4.2/0 W 5.0/2 - 4.0/5 L 2.0/5 - 7.0/4 W 5.2/0 - 3.1/0 W 5.0/0 - 4.0/1 L 4.2/4 - 4.1/4 W 4.2/1 - 4.1/1 L 4.0/5 - 5.0/1 L 5.0/2 - 4.0/1 W 5.0/2- 4.0/0 L 4.0/0- 5.2/3 L 4.0/ 0- 4.0/5 L 7.0/2- 1.0/4 L 4.2/2- 5.0/3 (plus 1 ghost runner) The pen has done better in 8 games. The starters have done better in 8. They did about the same in 2 games. The pen as done okay to well in 11 games. The starters have done okay to well in 11 games.
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He's still not the first RP'er I'd demote or cut loose. He's not even second.
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To start the season, yes. (Houck, too, but Sale got hurt.) It does not change the fact that he's a better starter than they are.
