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4/16 Twins @ Sox
moonslav59 replied to Maxbialystock's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Gotta like what Houck gave, today. It was good to see him throw 89 pitches. He's rarely gone over 90 in the bigs. They still don't trust him for the third time through the line-up, but I guess that's the trend of the day for most pitchers. (Will he ever get a chance to prove he's over that?) I can't help but think a game with Houck going 6 and Whitlock 3, might be our best chance at a W. Nice to see Bogey bust out. Is this going to be Dugo's bust out year? -
Do you have some sort of Tater App on your phone?
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50-50.
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Going 5-2 let’s your pen let up 1 run in the extra inning they have to go. Not bad, especially with 8 men pens these days.
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The Sox offer was far from serious. If it was, the joke is on them. I wouldn’t counter either, or I’d counter with an equally absurd demand like$400M/10. If it’s all about posturing and return offers, that should be his starting point after that crap offer of $30/1.
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Huh?
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As it should be, but artificial cut-offs and using a 4.50 ERA as the definition of quality both seem to be lacking.
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We should extend him now, before he reaches .245!
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To me, it’s more about the 8+ years he will want than the dollars, and I think there is zero chance we offer him even 7 years.
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Trading for pitching has always worked better for us. Bloom valuing prospects so much might prevent that sort of trade in the near future. This deadline could be very interesting.
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Hard not to improve on historical lows.
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I know, but to me, 3 & 0, 4 & 1, 5 & 3 and 8 and 4 seem like more quality than 6 & 3.
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4 and 1 or 3 and zero sure.
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Yes, but to me 5 IP and 2 ERs or 8IP is as good or better.
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Or 7 years. I get it.
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That's what I think.
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If the reports are true, it was a hard slap to his face. Maybe even hard enough for him to more readily waive his no trade contract at the deadline. (Could that have been the motivation?)
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I'm just trying to think of creative ways to keep Devers. I don't think even $240M/8 will keep him here. I want him here, so we have to either raise the AVV or lengthen the deal. At Devers age, I'm thinking the length is a better gamble than the higher AVV. More likely, he'll get somewhere in between- like $290-300M/10, and if you are willing to give that, how can $340M/14 be any worse vs that deal?
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Ive tried very hard to separate what I think Bloom/Henry will do and what I think they should do. I'm trying to show how a contract like $300M/14 to a 25 year old everyday player may be less risky than a $217M/7 deal to a 31 year old pitcher. I, too, doubt Bloom will give anything above $220-240M/8, but I like to give my opinions.
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Could be, and we might not see 2021 D.
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Agreed, but while we still have him, I think we should think like that. Saying that does not mean Henry and Bloom are listening and will agree with me, but I am not ready to start talking about trading Devers vs getting nothing for him. That talk can wait, IMO. Talk of trading Bogey, at the deadline, or getting nothing is fair game.
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To me, Devers is worth $320M/11 or 12, and would likely get that. I'm thinking $320M/14 is no more hurtful, and if Devers can still be a plus at years 12, 13 & 14, it's a better deal. Teams sometimes spread out the payments beyond the contract years, so this is no different, except maybe Devers can still play at ages 36-38. Many players still produce at that age, and Devers is special. I think he cans till DH at those ages.
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I get that, really I do. I'm thinking of a way to get Devers to stay, and I'm not si sure Devers will be a burden, like Miggy or Pujols were, because his AVV, even before figuring expected inflation will be much lower, and he will be younger than they were, when he hits the back-end of the contract. We all know, the AVV and lux tax seems to matter more than actual dollars to Henry. (Dice-K, Rusney, Moncada...) I understand the risk, but I think the low cost and AVV on the front end outweighs the back end risks. This is not like signing a 31 year old pitchers to $31M x 7. It's signing a 25 year old everyday player to 14 and about 2/3 the cost per year- not counting inflation. Who knows, maybe $22M will be chump change in $9 years.
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So, maybe .660 to break even and .700 to be a nice plus?
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But paying Devers just $20M, when he's worth nearly $30M for the first 8 years makes up for the last 6. Miggy is not making $20M, and when you figure inflation and when Miggy was signed, this is apples to oranges.
