moonslav59

He might be a late bloomer. And he has team control. We have no ML ready OFers on the farm he’s blocking, and how is playing JBJ looking towards the future. The answer is so obvious why ref should play more.

Play till he regreses

To me, we sell Bogey to whoever gives us the best deal, even if it's the Yanks. If they re-sign him, so be it. They may sign him, even if he's traded to the Cards or Phillies. Here are some teams with lower offensive catchers (some are much better on defense, and maybe those teams don't want to pay to upgrade at SS or don't view Bogey as a big upgrade. SS OPS AL NYY: .638 Kiner-Falefa SEA: .717 Crawford Not looking for SS: HOU, TOR, MIN But I think you are right: the NL looks like a better fit: STL: .515 Sosa PHI: .616 Gregorius SFG: .629 Crawford (on IL) Mets might move Bogey to 2B or 3B Not looking: LAD? (They always look for studs), ATL, SD??? (Is Tatis due back?) Many teams might be in on Nate, especially, if he looks good his next start. Many teams might be in on JD, some on Vaz, Wacha, Strohm or Hill. I doubt anyone gambles on Kike. We won't get much, if anything, even if we pay cash for JBJ, Barnes, Diekman, Arroyo or Brasier. Dalbec and Cordero's stock has fallen so far, it maybe be worth holding on and hoping their suckiness was the fluke and not their hot streaks. Sale is untradeable, right now.

Kike was out. Bump JBJ and Cordero, whenever he was in the OF. Maybe sit Duran vs some lefties, if needed. BTW, I was calling for giving Ref more time before most were. (Not bragging- I've been more wrong than right.) Yes, Dugo and Duran were hot for a while, but... .965 in June .895 in July ...and last I checked, there are 3 OF positions! LOL

I'm expecting it. I still think the majority of Blooms moves have worked or we made based on what should have worked or was the lesser of two evil type choices.

I had a gut feeling about Pivetta. He seems to be very good at bearing down after a rough 2-3 games. I wish he could bear down after a rough inning and skip a step. Not complaining. I'm happy we got Pivetta for a few more years.

I know all the choices, and none are better- lefty or righty. I didn’t expect to see 250 PAs. I know he hardly played before June, but he’s 11th in team PAs in June and 9th in July. I know that’s behind Duran and Dugo. Not sure about JBJ, Cordero and Dalbec.

The Stork has no clue. “malcontent?” Me? Lol! I’m the Chris freakin’ sale nut. I supported the extension. I loved the trade. Someone said our farm has not produced a star since Devers , so I mentioned Kopech, and he assumes I’m crying about trading Sale away. These trolls have no reading comp or logic skills. They make radical assumptions, build strawman and then rail against invented ideas and positions. Let them be. Don’t humor them by responding

About Ref being banged up, yes, after my post, but I’m sticking to my point. Ref should have much more than 97 PAs, and the platoon idea has not been a platoon , in reality

As bad as this line-up looks, I’m feeling the win vibe for the first time in weeks. Just a feeling. Absolutely no logic involved.

IMO, Bloom had to choose where to spend. He did not want to spread it out and get mediocrity everywhere. He chose 2B, SP and some on the pen, Vaz option and JBJ. Obviously some choices have not worked well, but I dont fault him for thinking Dalbec could bridge to Casas, and with Houck and Whitlock in the pen, he could get us to the deadline. Trading JD would likely have cost us $12M towards his contract. Not reasonable. Better to wait and get a DH next winter. The JBJ deal sucked, and many of us said so at the time. The rest was understandable, IMO. We just had a fluster cluck of bad things all happen at once. Kinda like 2019.hard to blame it all on DD, then, as well.

His numbers seem to be showing some bad luck, and he has had some big hits and more rbis than some of our studs, but I’ll say it again: I don’t want Verdugo AND Duran both back, next year. I’d trade one at the deadline, if I felt we could get more now than this winter I’d give up on both now, but out OF depth is non existent..

The Refsnyder playing time issue has me head scratching for quite sometime. Yes, I dare use that term, again. I get the argument that he looked like a flash to start, and putting total faith in him based on a few games is not usually sound strategy, but WTF!!! Our OF has sucked, even when Kike was healthy. And, here’s the clincher: what the hell is the Refsnyder plan, right now? Does anyone know? He’s started 8 games vs RHPs and 11 vs LHPs. That does not look like a platoon, to me. 51 PAs v R and 46 vL. I expected to find massive differentials and way more than just 97 PAs on the season. Why? I’m being serious here. Why just 97PAs?

Other posters told me for years to just let them go. I understand the feeling of not letting people get away with spewing lies, falsehoods and unwarranted personal attacks, but if the idea is to get them to stop, engaging them only emboldens them and switches them into overdrive. It’s what they thrive.

Yes, they have, and I still have a sliver of hope remaining. We started out 10 and 20 and showed resolve and fight, already this season. The thing is, so many of our key players may not even return from injury, this season, or they may come back in September (Sale, Kike). Others are expected to return in August, but at what level? (Devers, Story, Wacha, Wink, Strahm, Hill, Arroyo and other marginal players). There are just too many healthier teams than us fighting for that last slot or two. A sliver is all that remains.

I used to think that way, too, but they only seek to stir people up and get reactions. Our responses are not getting through to the trolls, and in fact, they only cause- them to continue. They seek the attention their mommies never gave them. If we totally ignore them, they will go away, which is what we all ultimately want.

Some of us a very relaxed and have never thrown a remote. The reality is, we will be sellers, even if we go 5-3 in the next 8.

A fire sale does not mean dealing everyone, including Devers. I'm thinking trade all 9 expiring contracts- pay big chunks or all of the remaining money due to sweeten the return, if needed, and also look at trading some players with team control through 2023 or beyond (not expecting decent returns, but get something more hopeful, even if in single A): Verdugo or Duran (only one can play LF, and the other is not a good enough hitter to DH) Dalbec and/ or Cordero Arroyo and JBJ Sawamura, Brasier and Diekman DHern and Valdez That's half the 40 man roster. That's a fire sale like never seen in MLB history.

.426 career OBP and .448 the last 3 years (ages 21-23). Devers has never ended up over .361 in a season and is at .351 over the last 3 seasons (ages 23-25). Soto has a better SLG%, too. 2 years younger.

How has Devers shown more value? Compare career numbers at age 23, no, forget that. Right now, Soto has a higher career SLG % and kills Devers in OBP by like 80 points. Soto might make $500M/15 while Devers would jump at $350M/ 15.

This is the core you build around: Devers forevers Story because it's a 5 sequal storybook made for a movie Sale because we can't trade him Whitlock because he's damn good Houck because he's pretty damn good Pivetta because we need a solid 3rd/4th starter Schreiber (who-da-thunk?) Refsnyder (pretty sad he's up this high) Paxton's wing a prayer Verdugo or Duran but not both Taylor The Kids: SP: Winckowski, Crawford, Bello, Mata, Walter, Murphy (maybe Seabold, Groome, Gonzalez, TWard or Song) RP: German and some failed starters C: Wong, RHern, Cottam & Hickey 1B: Casas, Jordan, Kavadas 2B: Yorke, Paulino 3B: Binelas SS: Mayer, Lugo, Bonaci LF: McDonough, Koss CF: Rafaela RF: Jimenez

Move all 9 free agents-to-be, unless Bogey invokes his no trade and makes it 8. If he can get a bag of balls for Arroyo, Cordero, Brasier, Diekman and Barnes (1 more year of team control or more), do it. Offer to pay most or all of their remaining contracts to sweeten the return, but just rid of the scrub-a-duds.

We have 8 games to change my mind, but as of now, I'm for selling every player with one year left for the best we can get, no matter how bad it looks. On 2 year players: I'd trade or can Diekman, but if we sell 9 guys, I guess we keep him around, since we're paying him for next year, too, and maybe he turns it around- same with Brasier & Barnes, who has an option for 2024. Trade Sawamura for whatever. Pay his an other's remaining contracts to sweeten the return, if necessary. Devers forevers. I'll keep saying it in hopes it becomes a reality. FAs after 2024, I would not mind seeing traded: Arroyo Verdugo (I don't want Duran & Verdugo both on the 26, next season.) Cordero That should be enough to keep Bloom busy in the next 8 days.

So, you want trades like Lester for Cespedes and Lackey for Kelly & Craig type deals? (Not that we have anyone that good to trade.)

I like your humor.