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True. I think maybe 2 games, but he was on the varsity team, but did not win the starter job. That being said, Dan Devine had Joe Montana as the third string QO in 1977, my freshman year at ND.

It just seems strange to me you want to bring Bogey back, but if he doesn't come back, 2B/SS is not a high need area, to you. I do think Sox brass will decides on going with what we have at maybe 2 of these positions, and maybe 2B is one of them: 2B: Arroyo/E Valdez (Story to SS) RF: Refsnyder/Dugo (Pham/Duran in LF) 1B: Casas/Hosmer (Dalbec/Cordero in AAA) C: McGuire/Wong (RHern/Cottam in AAA) DH: Pham/E Valdez/Hosmer/Dalbec/Cordero I'm not listing all the pitching options for 4 rotation slots (Pivetta at 3/4 slot) and RP.

I guess the AP doesn't think ND's loss shows they were ranked too highly. New rankings: 1. AL (44 first place votes) 2. GA (17) 3. OH St (2) 4. MI 5. Clem 6. TX A&M 7. OK 8. ND 9. Baylor 10. USC (Blue= Teams ND plays, this year) We also play #21 BYU.

Well, you were sitting right next to the driver on the front seat. I've always liked Arroyo, except for the injuries, and I don't think we can or should count on him for even 130 games at 2B, next year. I'm also high on Enmanuel Valdez who has like 55 Hrs over the past 2 years and an OPS over .940, this year at AA/AAA, but his defense is suspect, and I would not want to see us go with that combo, all year. Now, if it comes down to us only having enough funds for another pitcher or 2B/SS, I'm on the side of pitching, but I still see 2B/SS as a high need area. Losing Bogey and not adding anyone will need a lot of "making up" to do elsewhere to just balance that out.

Rarely, they do show a view with the CF in the frame, when the ball is hit. So, rarely you can get an idea of how quickly he breaks to the ball, but yes, it's basically all live observation and Flg% vs metrics.

And Minnesota's stadium looked better on TV? Remember the baggie? I thought the Tampa stadium was nice, especially on a hot day.

For a long time ND forbade Freshman from playing, so some of their career total rankings need some context.

So, one time? It was to make room on the 40 for someone else, I assume, since he did have options, left.

Aren't you the wagoneer of the "Arroyo to the IL" Club? Who plays SS or 2B? Enmanuel Valdez?

How many people bashing the stadium have been there? What happened to "the eye test?"

I feel the same way. I went to a game there a while back, and thought the place was pretty nice. I guess the problem is with people who drive from Tampa are crowded onto one highway, but it's not like TBR have the only traffic issues on game days.

The "if they wanted" is the key. They also just traded away the heart and soul of their team at the deadline, while in the middle of their first playoff race in several years.

They would suck in 2023, if they spent $200M. Their farm does not have 6 ML ready players to supplement the $200M spent. That was my point. Their whole system sucks. They have a good farm, because the draft near first every year. They don't use it, like the Rays did.

Bleacher Report has Brady Quinn ('03-'06) was the only QB from this century to make the top 10 ND QB list. The one before him was Tony Rice ('87-'89): 1989 was the last ND championship. Rick Mirer wasn't bad and came after Rice. Honorable mentions: Powlus no Book

So, we filled one big need- CF. These are what I see as our biggest needs, now: 1. SP (Solid 1/2 type Wacha QO?) 2. 2B/SS 3. Closer or top set-up man 4. SP (solid 3 type -Nate QO?) 5. RF/DH 6. RP (set-up) or 2 RPs (depth)

Not much to talk up about the farm, tonight. We got swept 3 games to nil.

For the first time ever: I was speechless.

Wow! Two HRs with a man on base. Has that happened in the last month?

Red Sox fans are the greatest in the world!

...and? Would they win, if they spent $200M, this winter? TBR might by spending $40-60M.

On the strawman's ledger, yes.

The "This is not a game thread" idea was brilliant. I'm kinda glad it didn't work, though.

You crack me up!

Updated 2023 Luxury Tax Dollars ($Millions) SP 25.6 Sale ~8.5 Pivetta (Arb 2 of 3) .72 Winckowski (pre Arb) .72 Crawford (pre Arb) .72 Mata (pre Arb) .72 Bello (pre Arb) minor Seabold (pre Arb) minor Kelly (pre Arb) minor Bazardo (pre Arb) minor Ort (pre Arb) RP 9.4 Barnes 4.7 Whitlock 1.5 Brasier (Arb 3 of 3, if he's not traded or DFA'd by '23 or nontendered) 1.1 Taylor (Arb 2 of 4) .80 DHern (Arb 1 of 3) .73 Houck (pre Arb) .73 Schreiber (pre Arb) minor Danish (pre Arb) minor P Valdez (pre Arb) minor K Ort (pre Arb) C ~1M McGuire (Arb 1 of 3) .72 Wong (pre Arb) minor R Hernandez (pre Arb) 1B .72 Hosmer (SD pays the rest) ~1.0 Cordero (Arb 2 of 3) minor Dalbec (pre Arb) 2B 1.3 Arroyo (Arb 2 of 3, if he's not traded or DFA'd by '23) .72 E Valdez (miLFA) 3B ~25 Devers (Arb 3 of 3) SS 23.4 Story minor Downs (pre Arb) LF ~6.0M Verdugo (Arb 2 of 3) minor Duran (pre Arb) CF 10.0 Kike minor Ja Davis (pre Arb) RF ~1.5 Refsnyder (Arb 2 of 3) Maybe $120M Total That's 36 players with 2 more having options: 13.0 Paxton 6.0 Pham Certainly some will be traded, non-tendered or DFA'd and we have 5-6 Rule 5 prospects we will be protecting: Rafaela German Walter Murphy W Gonzalez/Paulino/T Ward

I don't like it either. I've argued for a floor cap for as long as I can remember. One reason it is "possible" for the Rays to just spend more and win, is because they have a great system outside the budget. The Pirates could spend $200M, this winter and still suck.