moonslav59

I'm always for adding pitchers, and I'm not taking 5th starter types, either. I realize taking pitchers with healthy backgrounds makes more sense than those without. I agree on this. I don't know much about Kelly, but he could be a nice addition.

Well, Roger did deserve some level of criticism: 1986-1992 160 ERA+/1.09 WHIP/3.44 K/BB 1993-1996- NO SMALL SAMPLE SIZE! 130 ERA+/1.29 WHIP/2.36 K/BB Had he only started using steroids, earlier, he may have retired a Red Sox.

We may add a cheap 1B/DH or RF/DH type, but I doubt we spend much there. (I do think we sign a legitimate RF'er- maybe Nimmo, who would be seperate from the cheap DH type, and if we do sign a RF'er, the DH would probably be a 1B/DH type.) vs RHPs Casas (when not at 1B) Hosmer E Valdez (if not in AAA) Cordero (if not in AAA) vs LHPs Dalbec Refsnyder (when not in RF) Pham (when not in LF) Wong (when not catching) Arroyo (when not at 2B) That being said, if going with some sort of rotation involving players from this list, who make the 26, so we can spend more on pitching RF and SS, I'm all for that idea. We don't need everyone on the list to hit well- just 2-3. One problem might be having to cycle through 2-3 failures before we hit on the 2-3 that work out, if ever. By then, too many losses might have occurred to recover from. (Kinda like 1B, this year.)

Since he can play DH (very well on D-LOL), 3B (well enough) and maybe 1B, I doubt he would be passed over by any lower- tiered team. There are a lot of players better than replacement level, but not by much, still hanging around. His offensive potential is too good to pass up, and for that reason, I'd keep him in AAA, until he runs out of options and decide, then. While we may have a roster crunch, this winter, especially if we add 5-6 players via free agency or trades, there are 7-10 players I'd trade or DFA before Dalbec.

Very well said, and even if we do re-set, this year, we will still be able to spend enough to get a very good SP, RP, SS and RF'er. If we can trade for one, the other 3 can be upgraded, in theory, with more money allocated.

With STORK, you can't follow logic to make conclusions. He may still be a Yankee fan.

I had slim hopes we could finish the season with a winning record vs one ALE team (BAL), but those hoes are dashed.

I have him slotted as the 7th or 8th RP'er "who could easily be beat out," and that is being "very generous?" Or course, a lot depends on how many pen arms we sign, too.

These are the types of deals we may be looking at. I'm not sure past durability is a sign of future health, though.

My point is, what if they don't "short-change" him, but some other team offers him some absurd amount?

JD was a fantastic player for us. He's on the decline. I was only talking about improving on our .750 DH OPS, this year, not JD's overall .771 OPS, although I do think some sort of platoon can reach .775. (Dalbec, Arroyo, Pham, Hosmer, Refsnyder, Wong, EValdez) It's not a slight on JD to have high hopes for other Sox players.

He also forgets how he looked at the 2020 team and thought it impossible to turn things around in just 1 year. He projected doom 2 years ago. He thought we'd be pretty good, this year. We should be happy he's predicting doom, again. He's never right.

Seabold may be pitching his way off the 40.

15 Hits + BB (men on base) 14 outs Only 5 runs

Casas, Ref, McGuire and Almonte have been on base 7 out of 10 times. 5 Hits 2 BBs

The Ed Armbrister no call.

That was huge!

I'm probably in the minority thinking we'll be better, overall, at catcher with McGuire & Wong over Vaz/Plawecki. We should be better at 1B w Casas. DH is not as bad as it sounds: JD vs Dalbec/Hosmer (Arroyo/Pham/Refsnyder/EValdez), but that's because we remember the great JD. Pham is better than Duran & JBJ, and more from ref can't be as bad as they were. Sure, it's not a winning combo, but it's an improvement, and I have to think we add a RF'er, so we are now looking at Pham/Ref as subs not starters, and both are better than Duran/Cordero/Arroyo of 2022 in the 4th OF'er slot. It comes down to replacing Bogey and adding a RF'er. All this means nothing, if we don't significantly add to the pitching staff. Sure, more from Bello, Schreiber, Houck and Whitlock and maybe a boost from German, Kelly or a resurgent Barnes or Taylor can take up some of the slack, but replacing the innings from Wacha, Nate and Hill will not be easy. Bringing Wacha back may go a long way to balancing 2022 and 2023 out, but we still need a big plus beyond maybe staying even with Wacha returning. I still think we trade for a solid SP'er, bring Wacha back and leave the rest of the rotation to what we have in the system. Bello takes Hill's slot and Sale/Paxton might just be counted on as gravy. (Somehow, I get the feeling we add just one SP'er and count on one or both of Sale & Paxton combined to give us 33 starts. Add two solid pen pieces (not expensive ones but better than Diekman.) Make our SS/RF positions combined better than Bogey/JBJ were- somehow, somewhere.

I guess he's so fat, his ankles gave way.

And that is because of poor lower body conditioning? The kid has missed way less time than Judge, and you were taking like Judge was Lou Gehrig. He'll be fine on an 8 year deal. Much better than Judge on a 7 year deal.

We will upgrade at the positions we have the least faith in, but my point is, even the ones we choose to not upgrade will likely upgrade from within the system from 2022 and in some cases, 2021, too.

The 2022 Sox DH's, yes... Both have .750+ splits. Our DH had a .750 OPS, this year, and we have more than Hosmer and Dalbec to rotate at DH: vs RHPs 2022 .967 Wong .793 Casas .732 Refsnyder .723 Arroyo .714 Cordero .711 Pham .619 Hosmer (rare reverse split) vs LHP 2020 1.035 Refsnyder .762 Dalbec .761 Arroyo .741 Pham 2018-2022 vs RHP .783 Hosmer .733 Pham .732 Arroyo .693 Dalbec vs LHP .858 Dalbec .844 Pham .808 Refsnyder .754 Arroyo I still think a rotation at 1B/DH of Casas, Hosmer, Dalbec, Arroyo and Pham/Refsnyder at DH only beats the 2022 JD/Dalbec/Cordero group.

Casas/Hosmer > Dalbec at 1B Dalbec/Hosmer/Arroyo > JD at DH Healthy Story> 2022 Story Healthy Kike > 2022 Kike Refsnyder/Dugo > JBJ in RF Pham/Dugo> Dugo/Duran in CF 2023 SS ???? vs 2023 SS Vaz/Plawecki ???? vs McGuire/Wong (Of course much of this is speculation, but we don't need all to come true, and we will likely add a RF'er and a decent SS, but we already have improved the outlook of several positions, even if just slightly. Pitching: We need to replace Wacha and Strahm Nate & Hill were a wash in 2022, but they will have about 220 IP needing to be replaced. IP/ERA 112/4.81 Hill 100/4.15 Nate But also this... 77/5.47 Crawford 67/5.75 Wink 58/5.86 Brasier 54/5.47 Davis 38/4.23 Diekman 25/5.84 Robles 24/5.55 Ort 16/4.41 Valdez 10/6.10 Familia 7/21.60 DHern More innings from... ? 78/3.41 Whitlock 62/2.18 Schreiber 60/3.15 Houck 53/4.39 Bello 36/3.96 Danish 10/3.60 Bazardo 10/2.79 Kelly (probably more from Crawford & German, too) Sale? Paxton? Offer Wacha a QO Trade for a solid SP Spend the $70M on SS, RF and the pen. The team should be way better than 2022 and look better than 2021, on paper.

No thanks needed.

Oh, the Sox are playing?