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Except for our beloved team.

Just Baseball's End of Year Rankings: 18. Casas 21. Mayer 81. Rafaela 3 NYY: 12, 35, 59 5 TBR: 25, 34, 75, 77, 83 2 TOR: 5, 13 6 BAL: 2, 3, 23, 29, 67, 89 Bleacher Report updated Sep 9th: 13. Mayer 35. Casas 43. Bello 98. Rafaela

I wish I has mentioned those AL East crowns.

Would this be a realistic plan to make us competitive in 2023, while also looking beyond '23 and hopefully helping there as well, despite giving up some prospects: 1. Trade Rafaela, Yorke, Wikelman & Hosmer to MIA for Luzardo and Berti 2. Sign Nimmo 3. Sign Swanson 4. Sign Fulmer and Montero 5. QO accepted by Wacha 6. No Paxton or Pham options 2023 Sox SP: Sale, Wacha, Luzado, Pivetta, Bello LR: Crawford SR: Whitlock, Houck, Fulmer, Montero, Scheiber, Barnes, Taylor C: McGuire/Wong 1B: Casas 2B: Story 3B: Devers SS: Swanson LF: Verdugo CF: Kike RF: Nimmo SH/UT: Arroyo, Berti, Refsnyder, Dalbec

We wasted 2 years on Price before that 2018 ring, too, although we did finish in 1st place in 2016 & 2017.

I get the feeling over 15 teams will be knocking loudly on Miami's door. We will have to match or exceed every other offer.

I actually think the plan was to try and make the playoffs, this year, with Story's help, but the higher priority was beyond 2023 and Story fit in those plans as well.

You obviously are not talking about me. I wanted us to trade for Montas and sign Baez & Suzuki, last winter, among many other great plans..

Exactly the words I used, but if it placates the restless fans for 2023, maybe it serves that purpose. One could say we "wasted" a year of Story (maybe two), but it did quiet the complainers a tiny bit for a brief period of time.

I knew he pitched very well vs the Sox, but I did not recall, if he actually got credited with the win or was pulled in a 1-1 score game of before 5 IP. Who gets the win is not always the most deserving.

Having the #4 pick really helped us, on paper, so far (w the Mayer pick.)

Well, maybe two reasons I can think of: 1. To at least give the perception we are trying to win in 2023. 2. If we sign him for 2 or more years, he will help in 2024 and beyond, too. (kinda like Story was for the here and now and beyond.

I could have sworn they said playoffs, but maybe my ears are going the way of my eyes. I thought it sounded weird.

Just the Sox, for the most part.

He might need a slight arm twist to do a Sale-type deal. The other factor is when they feel the highly competitive window is open. If they think it begins in 2024, they may not trade for a pitcher with 2-3 years of control, because they sort of "waste" one year, but if it helps boost ticket sales and NESN viewership, maybe that tips the balance, otherwise, they may wait till 2024 to make a splash trade. The SP'er FA market is to risky and squishy to commit big money and long years. I may sound like broken record, but I like notin's idea on pen arms to add, try to bring Wacha back on a QO, sign Nimmo and maybe Bogey or Swanson, and see if we can reset in 2023 doing that. Extend Devers but with the contract not putting us over in 2023, so the extension begins in 2024. (Maybe we'd need to go with Swanson over Boget to reset, unless we dump salary, somehow and somewhere.

I agree, and I have been been openly calling for a major prospects for solid pitcher trade. but nothing like the scale of DD's 2+ year trading swirl.

I guess the Houston radio talk show hosts are as bad as Boston's. I heard it this morning, but I should have checked it our, first.

One clue that shows building up the farm is one of our top priorities is the fact that Bloom has traded very few known prospects (Groome for Hosmer and 2 prospects) and Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber. He has also made many trades bringing prospects to the Sox, some beyond July rental sell-offs. Betts for Dugo (not a prospect) and Downs & Wong Beni for Cordero (not a prospect), Winckowski and 3 lower level prospects. Nothing for Ottavino (and his contract) & German Renfroe for JBJ (not a prospect) and Binelas & Hamilton Some notable deadline deals that brought some prospects: Workman & Hembree for Pivetta (not a prospect) & Seabold Pillar for J Wallace Moreland for Potts and JRosario Mazza & Springs for RHern Cash for AAlmonte Vazquez for EValdez & WAbreu Groome for Hosmer (not a prospect) and Ferguson & Rosier (mentioned above)

Or Flustercuck.

Verlander has zero playoff wins, despite 30 playoff GS'd and a 3.40 post season ERA and 1.07 WHIP.

True, but MVP was asking so mething else. He might trade Mata & DHern for Kopech, but would he trade Houck and Bello? Houck & Mata? Bello & Mata? While many in the system were unknown or too far away to know much, DD did seem to keep many of the right ones. No doubt, having Kopech, margot, Moncada and others would make us better than the current Sale, Nate, Kimbrell and Pomeranz, but the fact is, DD did not "decimate" the farm. The farm handed to him was over-rated and weak. He did very little to improve it, except that his draftees and IFA signings have outperformed expectations, so far. Houck is about the only one to do anything at the ML level, so far, but a lot, including Casas, Bello, Mata and Walter are knocking on the door. Bloom's additions should not be expected to be making ML appearances for another year or two, but he did bring us Whitlock via Rule 5 and a bunch of near ML ready prospects via trades, some who have not shown much hope, like Wink, Seabold & Downs, but Wong has shown some glimmer of hope, and others are still rising on the farm.

Paxton, too, but we expected 3-4 months for him. We got 6+. Even some of their replacements went on brief IL stints, as did spot starters Houck and Whitlock. It was a total pitcher- IL cluster you-know-what.

I pointed out many were "largely unknown." I think that answers your question. BTW, Houck was "in the organization" before DD left. He was "largely unknown," but he was here..

The weird thing is, if you take everyone Bloom added, even JBJ and Diekman, to me, it looks like an overall plus on additions (Schreiber, Refsnyder, Wacha, Hill, Strahm and mid season additions like McGuire,) but we got worse.

I meant the group of prospects he held onto have turned out better than those he traded combined. Many of the prospects he held onto were largely unknown 3-5 years ago or drafted/IFA signed by DD, himself. The significant players traded: Moncada Kopech Margot Espinal Beeks The ones he kept or acquired and kept: Devers Houck Casas Bello Crawford Mata Rafaela Perales Paulino Walter Wikelman Murphy (Duran, Dhern