moonslav59

Agreed. I no longer have any expectations the team will chneg course and add what is needed to build a true and serious contender. It may or may not ever happen, again. I hope we do, but hope has gone to the wayside 2 straight years.

I do think most fans down on the corner have no clue, and that is why they would just see this as no major change made. They jump to conclusions before a GM first day on the job. We've seen that here with one poster, in particular.

Lackey's deal was probably top 10 or 11, with inflation factored in. Not counting Devers, if you figure inflation, maybe 4 out of the top 10 have been traded (Sale nearly made it 5), and 2 were DFA'd (Pablo & HRam) before their time was up. With the Bogey opt out, he was not top 10.

I might have missed a couple pre-arb deals and extensions. Cots didn't list the Jenks deal, and I caught that, and maybe they and I missed more. Many of the guys not in red did not finish playing with the Sox, their final year of their deals, due to injury- like Clement. I should have put Peavy in Red, as we traded him in the big rotation purge..

I'd be fine with that, but it's not much of an image of "change" for the masses down on "the corner."

He also used it while admitting he wasn't watching the game of baseball for a while. His "eye test" is looking at box scores.

Good post. I would guess, most of the time, if a team sees a flaw in a highly ranked prospect and wants to trade him, as a result, the other teams know about the flaw, too. Maybe, one team doesn't see it, or thinks they can correct it, and makes the trade anyway. I do think some teams value some players more than other teams do, but probably not by much on the vast majority of prospects and players.

Here's my list. Maybe, I missed 1 or 2... Here are the biggest contracts given out by the Sox under JH: Free Agents and Extensions (No adjustments for inflation made) (Manny's $160M/8 deal in '01 was pre-JH) 314/10 Devers '24 217/7 Price '16 (later dumped) 154/7 AGon '12 (later traded with salary dump CC) 145/5 Sale '20 (made $15M in '19) Almost traded 142/7 Crawford '11 (later dumped) 140/6 Story '22 120/6 Bogey '20 w opt out after '22 110/5 JD '18 110/8 Pedey '14 95/5 Pablo '15 (later cut) 90/5 Yoshida (plus large positing fee) 88/4 HRam '15 (later cut) 83/4 Porcello '16 83/5 Lackey '10 (later traded) 73/7 Rusney Castillo (almost all in the minors) 70/5 JD Drew '07 68/4 Nate '19 52/6 Dice-K '07 (plus huge posting fee) 41/4 Youk '09 w option (traded) 41/6 Pedroia '09 40/4 Renteria '05 (later dumped) 40/4 VTek '05 39/3 Vic '13 38/3 Lowell '08 38/3 Lugo '07 32/2 Napoli '14 32/2 Jansen '23 31/4 Damon '02 30/3 Beckett '07 w option (traded) 30/4 Buchholz '12 w options 30/5 Lester '09 w option (29/2 Peavy '13 traded Iggy for him after signing) 27/2 Dempster (retired after 1 yr) 26/2 Ortiz '13 26/3 Clement '13 (hit in the face by a LD) 26/4 Foulke '04 (gave us one great year) 20/1 Betts '19 (traded) 19/2 Barnes w option (traded) 18/2 Uehara '15 18/2 Martin '23 18/1 Devers '23 16/2 Cameron '10 14/2 Kike '21 (traded under next $10M/1 deal) 14/3 Vaz '19 w option (traded) 13/2 Moreland '18 (traded) 13/2 C Young '16 13/2 Scutaro '10 (traded) 12/1 Bogey '19 12/2 Jenks '11 11/1 SDrew 11/1 JBJ '20 11/1 Devers '22

Love seeing the Astros down 2-0. The fans here were so obnoxious and overconfident before this series. After the Texans won on Sunday, the talk show hosts were saying it was going to be the greatest sports day in Houston history. LOL!

Did you see the list of the biggest contracts we ever gave out (FA and extension) and how many were traded, eventually?

I knew he would just deflect. Clockwork.

I'm 100% fine with what he left, because what he did worked for 3 wonderful years, including one golden one. No regrets, for me, but I'm one who thinks sacrifice is a virtue. Had we not won (and not just about the ring year), he might have been one of the worst GM we've had in a while.

He was about to trade Betts and Price to LAD in 2019, but the team started winning, and the plan changed.

Of course, we could do more. Personally, I'd like to see us add 3 solid SP'ers and create an awesome pen by attrition. Adding obe RHB like Duvall might not be enough, but I am trying to stay realistic. I don't see any other big RHBs that fit our positional needs. I guess we could go crazy with the wallet and wheel and deal and shift guys around by getting Chapman, Duvall, 3 SP'ers and maybe trade Yoshida and or Dugo, but that would almost certainly involve going way over the tax line (maybe the third) an or making a huge prospect tarde or two. My point is, I'd prefer going with quality over quantity, for once. I'd rather get 3-4 top players than 5-7 so-so ones.

$Millions 300/11 Trea Turner 115/5 Realmuto 100/5 Castellanos 79/4 Schwarber 72/4 T Walker 40/3 Z Eflin 28/2 Gregorius 17/2 J Segura 17/2 Neris 15/2 M Strahm 13/1 Syndergaard 10/1 Knebel 10/1 Kimbrel 10/1 D Robertson 10/1 K Gibson 10/2 B Miller 9/1 McCutchen 6/1 BHand, J Familia, Arrieta & Archie Bradley 5/1 Ian Kennedy Must be nice to have a bunch of $10M/1 deals ranked 12th and lower on your signings list over 3 years.

Fair enough. I guess, overall, I'd project 3-4 will be stars (more likely 2 than 5) and 3-4 more will be decent everyday play types (better than replacement players.)

You slurred the last two!

His contract would have still been good had he just missed one full season with TJS and then returned to 90% of his old self.

Hard to punch a moving target.

So, now you are saying you should not have put that in green? You flip more than Flipper.

How many do you think will be stars or everyday players? I hope it's more than Houck, Dalbec and Crawford in the 5 year period starting with Casas & Bello.

Not many were complaining about DD until maybe 2019. A few were projecting "trouble ahead" ( I won't say the "C word.")

Well, we know a QO was offered and JH did not disallow it.

He can't ever admit it. He must think admitting even a typo is some sort of sign of weakness. I once exposed him outright lying about a post someone else made, not me. i called him our several times, and he just kept doubling and tripling down that I said it. He never admitted the mistake, let alone apologize for it or the double downs.

Funny how when I "pounced," you never said you were joking, then. Funny how predictable you are to flip the script when exposed.