moonslav59
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You never know what some GMs want, but I think you are right. I thought the Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber deal in '21 was an underpay, but he was not a pitcher. I'm not sure Yorke, Rafaela or other second tier prospects was enough to get something meaningful, and I doubt anyone in the Sox managemenbt group wanted us to trade higher prospects, like Mayer, Casas or Bello.
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I said if we spent $80M we can get you 3 pitchers at the prices I gave, plus the minimal cost of a LH'd RP'er. I do want 3 SP'ers, but what I want is not to sign 3, but to trade for 1 or 2, and sign 1 or 2. I'd be happy if we traded for one really good one, signed one rerally good one, then added a better LH'd RP'er and maybe bring Duvall back.
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I'm not sure building the farm was "at the expense," unless you wanted us to trade prospects for the here and now. (It seemed you did not want us to at the deadlines, but maybe I'm wrong.)
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What's the alternative? Wait for several years for the Sox system to learn how to scout, acquire then develop young pitchers into aces? Its free agency or trades, until that day arrives. Our record with big trades for top pitchers is way better than almost anyone with free agency. I'm thinking we do both (with fingers crossed.) I suggested 3 SP'er, partly because I know the success rate is not great. There is a better chance of getting 3 good SP'ers by acquiring 3 than by acquiring just 2 and hoping we go 2 for 2. I know the odds are long.
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Devers signs 11 year $331 million extension
moonslav59 replied to Jasonbay44's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Devers has slumped before, and we heard the same things, then. Many players go through funks and learn or relearn how to get out of them. Devers always has, so why change a great thing? As bad as some think he has been, this year, he currently ranks: 10th in OPS at .880 11th in wOBA at .370 15th in wRC+ at 131 -
Devers and casas have been clear below average defenders. I'm not sure why keeping their bats while improving the D is not something you want to even consider. Someone has to back up Casas at 1B, next year. I doubt JT comes back, and if he does, it means Yoshi plays LF much more than he should. I'd try Devers at 1B for 10-15 games in 2024. Watch to see if Casas can improve his D at 1B, or if Devers stays the same or gets worse at 3B, then maybe think of a more permanent move for both. I hate to force Casas to DH before he has a chance to show he can get better at 1B. Maybe watching Bobby Dee get worse has poisoned my mind. I like a flex DH, too, especially with Cora's rest mania ideas.
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There has only been one blockbuster trade since Sale: 1 year of Betts plus half-Price for Dugo, Wong and Downs. BTW, on next levels trades, what are the current grades for.... Pivetta for Workman & Hembree Wink, Gambrell & Franchy for 2 yrs of Beni (.774 in 928 PAs) JBJ & DHam for 1 year of Renfroe Abreu & EValdez for Vaz
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So, based on the Price signing 8 years ago, the dice are loaded against us more than other teams? Hell, some people still view the Price signing as a plus, due to the 2018 ring. One poster even thinks he had plus trade value when dealt to LAD. Our last FA signings have been about on par with most teams- you get what you pay for. The Story signing has not looked good. The Yoshi signing might be middle of the pack in success and failures on contracts like his. JD was the next most recent big deal, and that was a nice "dice roll." Other than those three deals after Price, all our other signings have been at or below Jansen's $16M x 2 deal.
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He has been discussed, and his sample size is moving away from being too small. I think many want to see how his bat looks, next year, before panicking. BTW, moving Devers to 1B and Casas to DH keeps both bats, so they still count. IMO, moving Yoshi to DH makes more sense, especially since we have some young OF'er trying to squeeze their way into the line-up, and we have no back up 3Bman or 1Bman that are ML ready in the system. I'd keep Devers at 3B and Casas at 1B, too, but I would like to see devers get some practice at 1B. When Casas sits, and we know Cora will sit him 15 games, we could play Devers at 1B and Urias at 3B (Reyes at 2B.)
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It's a bit of a dice roll for all GM who signa big FA SP'er this winter.
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And, Sale was not a FA signing. After Price, our highest paid FA signings of SP'ers have been: $82.5M/5 Lackey (forced a trade) $26.5M/2 Dempster (retired after 1) $25.5M/3 Clement (got hurt) Nate was an extension at $68M/4. There is hardly a record to judge by, and none have been very recent. Plus, new GM coming, soon!
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Some SP'ers who will or may be FAs, this coming winter: Yamamoto Ohtani Nola Snell Gray ERod Montgomery Wacha Kershaw Morton Stroman Giolito Cobb Paxton Lynn Gibson Flaherty Lorenezen S Lugo Clevinger Did I miss anyone important?
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Does this affect the desire to sign ERod, this winter? Tigers left-hander Eduardo Rodriguez exited yesterday’s 8-3 loss against the Dodgers in the fourth inning due to what the club has termed a scapula spasm. -MLBTR
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September 18th: Red Sox at Rangers
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
I'm not seeing anymore chubbiness than before. -
I meant to say, "The prospects got better and baseball is now less watered down" now that Bloom is gone.
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Again, be careful what you wish for. Some of us remember previous owners and shudder to think of who might replace JH.
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I agree, but why keep saying Hosmer when McGuire was clearly the key addition in '22. Hell, even Pham was more key than Hosmer, and Hosmer was not even the key player returned in that trade- Rosier was.
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It's not easy filling needs before the deadline. Basically, it's winter or within a week of the deadline for 98% of all trades.
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Agreed.
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The prospects just got better with Bloom gone.
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The thing is, Bloom has done more than just draft and sign IFAs to improve the farm. His trades, and Rule 5 selections have already given dividends, and that is not "speculative," anymore. (Some still are to varying degrees.) Already give us plau production: (bWAR) 4.9 Whitlock 2.4 Wong 1.5 Winckowski 0.9 Bernardino (-0.2 w SEA and 1.1 w BOS) 0.7 WAbreu (20 gms) 0.2 ZKelly (19 games) TBD: GGambrell EValdez Rosier NRobertson TDenlinger L de la Rosa Not much of a shot.... RHernandez DHam MFerguson ABinelas
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Not being able to bring yourself to just say, "it looks better now than in 2019" seems a bit harsh, to me. But, I'm not you, so I get it.
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I'm hoping for more, but even .700 and GG D at SS would be a big addition to the team. I'm thinking our D can also get better by DH'ing Yoshi more, and the more Rafaela plays, the better our D can be. I don't see a need to try and improve it by signing D first players. Spend on pitching and let the improved D greatly improve our run prevention area. The hitting may need a big RH'd bat, and getting one that is a plus on D would be nice, but not essential. Bringing back Duvall and nothing else on the everyday player side does it for me.
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I get that point, but I'm speaking to only the point about the return on JD "not being enough." To me, the draft improvement was worth it alone, so who cares what players were offered? Yes, I'd have traded Nate, Wacha, Hill, Strahm, and then after all that, I'd have asked Bogey, if he still wanted to finish the season in Boston on a hapless team. One could also ask, why stop at Vaz?
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We all know the value is speculative, even on guys like Bello and Casas to some degree, but the improvement on paper is obvious. Of course, we won't know until we see the results, just as those who slammed DD for "emptying the farm" are now happy he brought us Casas and Bello (and Crawford, Duran...) Not all 16th ranked farms turn out better than 30th ranked farms. I get that. I have gone out of my way to keep saying "speculative, speculative, speculative," but to some extent every move made by GMs are speculative, until you see the results. All we can hope for is to think an improvement on paper will translate to wins and maybe even rings. It's not an exact science, but not thinking Anthony, Teel, Mayer, Blies and Cespedes have major potential and that the likelihood 3-4 end up doing very well isn't something to be happy about, seems a bit harsh, to me, but to each his own.
