moonslav59

Do you like any of the trades suggested by this guy? (the ones I presented.) I like the... Yoshida + $16M ($4m/yr) Duran Yorke for Luzardo (3 years of control at arb rates)

I think I heard Wink was going to be stretched out, too. What is it with putting our pitchers through medievil torture? Seriously though, our pen can be a big strength by just keeping as many as these guys in it, as much as possible: Pivetta (OK as the number 4 or 5) Houck (OK as the number 5, if we can limit him to no more than 18 batter a start.) Crawford (OK as a number 5, but as a long man in the pen, he looks priceless.) Whitlock (I would try to never start him, again. Limit him to 1-3 innings per appearance. As much as possible, have him start an inning, freshly) Winckowski (Fine to stretch him out into a 1-3 innings guy, but don't mess with what worked in '23. KEEP HIM IN THE PEN!) Murphy, Fitts, Max Castillo, Gambrell and Walter as AAA depth We have a bunch or capable and or promising short guys: Jansen (if not traded) Martin (if not traded, now or at deadline) Schreiber Bernardino Slaten & Mata Campbell & Criswell Kelly & Weissert as extended depth Guerrero and others as hopefuls

Then extended him at a reasonable cost- to anyone but JH and the bottom spenders in MLB. I'd trade for Castillo, if SEA would take Duran and others, but I doubt JH likes even his contract. Dumping Yoshida and or Jansen might still not be enough for JH to accept Castillo's deal.

LOL. Ham works, too.

I totally agree with you and Hugh. I'm actually okay with not signing Duvall or trading for a corner OF'er, and giving Abreu a shot in RF (O'Neill in LF.) If Abreu proves he doesn't deserve the position, move O'Neill to RF and let Duran and Ref platoon LF. Mayer may get a late call-up, but he still hasn't shown he can hit AA ball. soxprospects mentioned Teel being more elikely to make the bigs first out of Mayer-Anthony-Teel.

I was not a fan of the idea from even before day one. I guess, if it was Clevinger or Paxton vs Gio, I'd take Gio. If it's monty, Snell or Imanaga plus Gio, fine. Stroman and Gio might be the best we can expect via free agency. but only if we trade Jansen or Yoshida, apparently.

So, basically trade Yoshida and sign Soler (RHB) for less. Add some cash (maybe up to $12M?) 1. To LAA for Siltheth (maybe w Ben Joyce or prospect) May add Jansen or Yorke and get Sandoval. 2.To SFG for Winnn & Whisenhunt (#3 prospect) or other 3. TO CHC for Wesneski and Ben Brown (#5prospect) 4. To SDP for Cosgrove RP and Dillon Head (#9 prospect) Later, trade Jansen. 5. to MIA ($16M) for Cabrera to MIA w Duran and Yorke ($16M) for Luzardo to MIA w Bleis, Yorke, Rafaela ($16M) for Luzardo to MIA w Mayer and Yorke ($12M) for Luzardo Yoshida, Bleis, Rafaela and Yorke for Luzardo and Av Garcia ($12M to BOS) to DH

True. He also has MLB experience of non success.

Like Gio?

Chris Cotillo of MassLive reports that the Sox are considered a “long shot” to get Imanaga. Surprise, surprise.

I do think Duran is overrated on BTV, but I'd want more than just a 1 for 1 deal. Maybe Duran and Mata for Cabrera and Puk. (We could then trade Jansen elsewhere.) Or Duran for Cabrera and someone else, maybe Cabrera and Berti is not enough return.

E Cabrera might have a chance at becoming a frontline SP'er, but he is far from one, now. Would you give Rafaela + Wink for him?

Well, go back and offer more...

It's highly doubtful we can match up perfectly with MIA on a trade that looks to work for both sides, but they do need OF help or hope. Here are the BTV values: 63.3 Luzardo (3 yrs) 91 value -28M contract 57.7 Garrett (5 yrs) 103 value- 45M contract 25.2 Rogers (3 yrs) 32.7 value-7.5 contract 19.6 Cabrera (5 yrs) 39.4-19.8 (I would not trade for Cabrera or Rogers, unless it's for the right return) So, we'd need to come up with values between 55-65 to get Luzardo or Garrett. Mayer is not enough, according to BTV. Here are the Sox numbers. 51 Casas 48 Bello 45 Mayer 42 Anthony 34 Duran (seems high) 24 Crawford 22 Houck 22 Bleis 18 Teel 17 Grissom 13 Yorke 12 Rafaela 10 Schreiber 9 Winckowski & Pivetta 8 Abreu & EValdez So, on paper, Mayer (45) + Crawford (24) OR Houck (22) might land us Luzardo. Mayer (45) + Rafaela (12) OR Schreiber (10) might get us Garrett. I'd love to try and trade Duran (34) + Craw (24) or Houck (22) + Schreiber, Wink or Abreu gets it done on BTV, but not in real life.

Word is the Yanks are looking at Luzardo or Garrett from MIA. I would think we have better prospects to offer. Cease has just 2 years, so I'd like him better than Burnes, but I'd still look for 3+ years. SEA might be looking to trade a Sp'er, but I'm not sure we match up. According to harmony, there is not a single player on the Sox worthy of the SEA 40 man roster. Many trades work out on BTV, but who knows what MIA, SEA, CLE or anyone else wants for a really good pitcher. I've made countless suggestions on that site for pitchers with 3+ years of control, but you never know. MIA did trade Pablo Lopez. I suggested a few for him, before he was traded.

Agreed, so maybe we need to trade for an arb guy or even a pre-arb guy with 3-5 years of control.

I get the worry about Story at SS, and who might back him up, if he gets hurt or needs to moves back to 2B, but to me, he seems like the top prospect who might bring back the best return. I do see Story at SS as more of a sure bet than Duran, Rafaela and Abrue in our future OF. That makes Anthony a keeper. Teel's trade value is not all that high, now, but having a top catching prospect is something I feel we need to hang onto. Bleis does not have the trade value, right now to count as a blue-chipper. He needs a full season to get a better feel for his true value. I really like Luzardo or Garrett from MIA, but both might not really be as good as they look to be. Luzardo has 3 years and Garrett 5 years of control. I doubt they take Duran plus Wikelman and Perales or Fitts, so it's going to take Mayer.

Kluber didn't look "horrible." I'm just tired of "not horrible" being our ceiling.

If we trade for someone with 3 or more years of control, hopefully 4-5, then it might be worth doing it now, even if the 2024 Red Sox are not meant to be seriously contending team.

Yes, of course. I'm just saying I don't see much difference in his pitching additions, so far. It looks like no Monty, Snell or Imanaga, so adding Stroman doesn't move the needle much more than Gio, for me. I'm cutting him some slack. I've made no final judgments, and won't even after opening day, but so far, it looks like more of the same in many ways. I like his decisiveness more. Trading Sale, Dugo and Urias was probably something Bloom would not do. I like The O'Neill trade and Grissom is growing on me. We have a ways to go to look better than last year's last place team.

I'm bummed that Stroman might be our best remaining chance at anything near a decent SP'er. I don't see Bauer as an option. Urias looks even worse. The leftovers are Bloom signing types: Paxton, Clevinger, Ryu, Lorenzen, Manaea, A Wood. Yes, trades are still an option, but why trade away the future to still come up short in 2024?

Of course that makes sense, but when has sense had anything to do with what we actually do? Signing Monty, Snell, Imanaga or even Stroman would be a huge step, even if we have to trade Yoshi or Jansen to clear budget space to convince JH to say yes.- I do NOT think it happens. I don't think Duran plus 2 non top 4-5 prospects gets us the type of pitcher we need. Now, if we do get one of those 4 FA pitchers, that sort of trade might get us a complimentary SP that might make us competitive. I'd be fine with Duvall in RF, O'Neill in LF and Rafaela and Abreu fighting it out for CF, although neither can really be counted on as "the man." Having 2 increases the odds one will work, but who knows? I'm fine with not trading Mayer (no way I trade Anthony or Teel, and Bleis needs a full year to gauge more,) but only because I have very little optimism we try to win in 2024. Might as well wait to make a trade like that until we are set up to win. If we want to win in 2024, I think we need to... Sign Monty, Snell or Imanaga Trade Mayer for Luzardo or Garrett types Sign Duvall or trade Duran plus others for someone who can hit and defend RF well.

Some of these pitchers look okay to decent and might have some upside, but I'm really not seeing a big difference from... (in foresight not hindsight) Jansen Martin Kluber Wyatt Mills Bleier (for Barnes) Wacha Hill Strahm Diekman Denlinger

He should be fine in Yankee Stadium's short RF, although his metrics might suffer from that. Not counting salary, BTV has Dugo (14) and O'Neill (11) pretty close.

O'Neill might be a plus on O and would be on D, if he played in LF. The problem is, just about all our OF'ers but Rafeala look best in LF or DH (Yoshida, Refsnyder, Duran). Abreu might be plus on O and plus on D, but we don't know. Rafaela in big plus on D and largely unknown on 0. Some might project poor or inconsistent O. Duran might end up okay on D, some year, but likely only in LF. His offense is a coin toss. Yoshida sucks on D, even LF at Fenway. His O may improve, but who knows? Ref sucks on D and can only hit LHPs. We need OF'ers who can both hit and play D. We might have 3 (O'Neill, Abreu & Rafaela,) but that could easily be wishful thinking- not reality.