moonslav59

If we trade Dugo for Torres, trade of non tender Urias and sign Duvall, the D should be a net improvement, but the cost might be a little higher. I'd say it's worth it.

Just stop.

Of course the situations are different, and the people are different. That does not change the fact that you are preaching others do as you say not as you do (did).

How am I showing it bugs me? I'm pointing out what you did when Bloom was hired, and now you are cautioning we "wait and see" before saying something way less restrained that your initial position with Bloom. I think it's worth pointing out inconsistencies. It does not mean it bugs me. I actually find it comical and entertaining, but you seem to know my feelings better than I do.

I did say "almost" ready. I'm actually okay with Houck being a 4/5 SP'er, if we have a strong pen with several long men that would allow us to yank Houck after 18 batters, every start. Whitlock should never start another game, even in an emergency, unless as an opener. IMO, Whitlock should have 2 other long men in the pen with him- 2 from Houck, Pivetta and Crawford. Another key component of limiting Houck's innings a s a SP'er, is that we absolutely need an ace that can go 175+ IP. (I think 2, but not I doubt that will happen.) Our pen can be our biggest strength, if we don't overload it and keep robbing from it our best long men.

That's funny. Like you did with Bloom?

I've never started a "Fire ____" thread, but I'm almost ready to, already.

So, Pivetta is the number 5- the guy who lost his rotation slot, last year. Sale is the number 4- they guy who has 31 starts total in the last 4 years. Whitlock or Houck is the number 3- both better as RP'ers. Bello is the number 2- the guy with a 5.58 ERA and 5.31 FIP in his last 13 starts of the season of 28 total GS. Add and ace. Sura, an ace if better than a Kluber or Richards, but it's not nearly enough.

Knowing one or both will end up starting, again.

This is crazy thinking. I just lost a lot of respect for Brez. It looks like we will be adding just 1 SP- not the 2-3 I feel we need, badly.

I don't think a -2 OAA over the last 2 years outweighs a .380 OBP.

OAA 2022-2023 at 2B +7 Merrifield 0 A Rosario -1 L urias -2 Donovan -2 Reyes -3 Torres

I think Rosario is the better defender. Urias is a decent back-up 3Bman, but maybe we could trade or non tender Urias and use Reyes as the all around utility IF'er. The money saved ($~5M) on Urias would lessen the hit of the Rosario contract, but who knows? Maybe Urias outplays Rosario in 2024 and beyond. Urias turns 27 next June. 6.1 bWAR '21-'22 4.2 fWAR, including -0.1 in '23 Ahmed turns 28, next week. 6.6 bWAR '21-'23 5.4 fWAR, including +0.2 in '23 It would save us money to just keep Urias, but an upgrade on D, while adding a capable back-up SS might be worth the added salary.

Trust me. I know.

Agreed. Ideal DH: 140 games Yoshida 11 games Devers (Urias at 3B) 11 games Casas (Devers at 1B)

\I'd call Ref a platoon LF'er, not a bench warmer. With Duran and Dugo struggling against LHPs, for most of their MLB careers, he should start vs every LHP, and get enough PH'ing chances to end up playing quite a bit (240-280 PAs.) I'm all for Yoshida being our near FT DH, but I could see Brez and Cora sharing the DH role as a way to rest just about everyone, without so many days off and then see this in the OF: LF: Yoshida vs half RHPs and some LHPs. Duran vs half RHPs Refsnyder vs most LHPs CF: Duran vs half RHPs Abreu vs some RHPs (starts in AAA) Rafaela vs all LHPs and some RHPs. (Defensive replacement) RF: Dugo vs all RHPs and some LHPs Refsnyder vs some LHPs

It is RHB Ahmed Rosario, who would be converted to 2B with the Sox.

Hey guys, don't take it from me. There is a headline on MLBTR that reads: Red Sox Prioritizing Starting Pitching Help https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/red-sox-prioritizing-starting-pitching-help.html

If you can't have Chapman, which other non pitchers are you most interested in? I'm thinking MAYBE Rosario, Bader or even Duvall from the scrubs list.

I'd be okay, if I knew we'd trade for an ace, but I'm not spending $25M our of $50 or $70M on a 3Bman, when we need 2-3 SP'er, a 2Bman and maybe a C, LH RP or RHB OF'er. It was not a quick decision. We've been over this for a while.

fangraphs placed his value to the Sox at $12.2M over his 2 years with the team (1.5 fWAR in just over 400 PAs)

Now, all of a sudden, we ignore OBP and place great value on SLG? The team had a .324 OBP. The 2004 team had its top 7 players by PA over .365. These are total PAs- not splits... Sox leaders in 2023 (240+ PAs: ) .367 Casas .365 Refsnyder .351 Devers .346 Duran .345 Turner (gone) .338 Yoshida .324 Verdugo (about to make $9M in 2024) .303 Duvall .288 Wong .279 Kike (gone)

8th place among all Sox players since 2004 is comparing him to chumps? Players with 400+ PAs and a worse OBP than Ref's .373 since 2004: .370 JD Drew .368 VMart & Mueller .367 Nixon .365 Pedey .363 JD M .356 Bogey .343 Devers among others. Also, only 19 players in all of MLB have more PAs vs LHPs and a higher OPS (.889) than Ref since 2022. All the rest must suck.

He places 8th in OBP by all Sox players with his amount of PAs or more since 2004. (That's not his split.) He's been our best batter vs LHPs since 2022, who is still on the roster. He's making peanuts. Mistake?

When I look at the non pitchers on the FA list and what MLBTR projects their contracts to be, I can't see many deals I support offering. $264/12 Bellinger: LMAO $150/6 Chapman: sorry notin. Nope. $80/4 Teoscar: sure, we need another DH! NOT! $70/4 Candelario: Nope. $54/4 Gurriel: Not another LF'er! $50M/5 Jung Hoo Lee: A CF'er, but bats LH'd. $45M/3 Soler: Yup, another LF'er! $40M/2 JD M: We have 9 DHs, already. $39M/3 Garver: More DH than catcher, but does bat RH'd w power. $36M/2 Hoskins: 1B/DH- been there-done that. (That's only 10 in MLBTR's top 30 FAs.) $26M/2 Kiermaier: Nice glove in CF, when healthy, but bats lefty. $20M/2 H Bader: Hey! He bats RH'd and plays CF. Can't hit well. $20M/2 Urshela: Nope $18M/2 Ahmed Rosario: Bats RH'd but not well. Could be good at 2B. $18M/2 Merrifield: RHB, but near .700 and not good on D: Nope $16M/1 Turner: RHB, love the guy, but we have a DH. $16M/2 Heyward bats LH'd. $15M/1 Belt bats LH'd. $12M/1 Tim Anderson: bats RH'd but fell off a cliff and is not good on D. Maybe OK at 2B, but Nope. That's the top 50, and only Rosario looks mildly interesting, to me. Some of the honorable mentions look more appealing: Duvall Michael A. Taylor Pretty sad. The best of the best don't fill a need or cost way too much.