SoxnCycles

Jesus, what a bunch of sensitive little dicks...

That's perfect!

Yup, I like this trade. The BP is looking much better. I can see why Seattle fans are pissed. Seattle better beef up their defense a little. Miley pitches to contact.

None on us have any idea of what it takes to become a MLB GM, in spite of all the "I know they were thinking this..." fantasies that get posted here. IMO Dombrowski has overpaid on 2 out of the 3 deals he's made so far. Doesn't mean I think he's a bad GM. He's got a couple of years to prove to me he can do more than throw money and prospects around. And just wanted to know if you wanted to get more specific about "what I heard from some people". But, if passive-aggressive is your thing, have at it.

Anyone could've made that particular deal, not the job in general. Is there a point to the rest of your post?

Should be an interesting season.

Come on Kimmi. Slapping down 30 mil more than the other team in the bidding for Price takes real finesse!

As SK pointed out, he spent money on the top FA at the time. But, it's BCs fault they played well below their career norms. Is DD going to catch as much heat if it happens again this year?

That's right up the Yankees alley.

LOL Glad there's an opt out then.

Do we even know for sure that there's an opt-out clause?

But, you know how it goes. "Pretty good" wont be worth 30 per, so there will be lots of whining and calls to dump him on some unsuspecting GM, if he spends his last 3 years pitching like CC.

But, 13 mil for two years of Young is unreasonable? LOL Too funny....

Probably... And don't hold your breath for another pitcher to be signed. This is it.

For those of us that actually like details: 7 years, 217 million.

Yeah, but Gomes could drop-kick a beer like nobody's business!

Yup, I think I'd give up JBJ and Swihart before giving up Bogaerts or Betts.

No one has said any of that. Apparently, you can't read.

Fans may not care about a budget, the Red Sox FO does. The Sox may exceed the luxury tax threshold this coming season, but they wont do it two years in a row.

Yup, unless they plan on blowing past the luxury tax limit. The Sox have been reluctant to do that in the past, but they may have given Dombrowski the green light to so this off season. If they made a commitment to strengthen the bullpen, they could get by with a 2nd tier pitcher. Bullpens are an iffy proposition to begin with though. They could end up with a staff like KC; adequate starting pitching and a killer pen, or it could go south like this past season; a rotation that puts too much pressure on the bullpen and the whole staff folds. Can't wait to see which way this goes.

Good to know Kimbrel is totally immune to injury.

Yup, it's not happening now.

I agree. Swihart? Yes. Bogearts? No. it would probably take Swihart and at least three of the remaining top prospects, like Devers, Johnson and Marrero to get it done.

Wrong. At MLB.com Prospect Watch, Manuel Margot and Javier Guerra were ranked No. 25 and No. 76 overall, and No. 3 and No. 6 in the Red Sox organization, while Carlos Asuaje and Logan Allen were ranked No. 23 and No. 25 on the Sox farm: Unless you don't consider # 3 and #6 as "top".

Excerpts from Keith Law ESPN Insider: "His contract is quite favorable, $24 million guaranteed for the next two years with an option at $13 million ($1 million buyout) for 2018, which will almost certainly be picked up if he's healthy. But even if that comes to pass, the Red Sox will be lucky to get even 6 WAR of value out of Kimbrel over those three seasons. You have to place a huge premium on the closer role -- high leverage, but not always the highest leverage situations -- to believe he's going to be worth close to what Boston gave up. Boy, did they ever pay a steep price for him: two prospects among the top 50 in the game and two other prospects of significant value. Center fielder Manuel Margot is the best prospect heading back to San Diego, and he's exactly the player the Padres needed to get back in a trade this winter. The Padres didn't have a true center fielder in the system, and Margot is a plus defender there who should be able to handle the large territory in Petco Park. He's a disciplined hitter who rarely strikes out and has the swing to hit for at least average power when he fills out physically, although his home park won't help him in the home run column. He has outstanding instincts on both sides of the ball, and I imagine it killed the longtime Sox employees who've watched him develop the past few years to see him go. Shortstop Javier Guerra isn't far behind Margot, less polished right now but with enormous upside; he's a plus defender at shortstop with plus raw power and a good chance to hit for average, too. Guerra has soft hands and very easy actions at short, a natural at the position who should be a legitimate asset in the majors with his glove. He has great bat speed that generates a lot of power, and his contact rate kept improving as the season went on -- 29 percent in the first half, 19 percent in the second -- after I saw him having some timing issues in mid-June at Lakewood. He could truly be a monster of a player; a good defensive shortstop who even hits .280 with 20-25 homers is a possible MVP, although Guerra has yet to reach high-A and is probably two years out from the majors. The Padres didn't have any need for a $12 million-a-year closer, although they'll probably pick someone up to handle the ninth inning. But they had several holes to fill in their system and just addressed several of them, getting a lot of upside in the deal but with two of the four players close to major league value. Margot alone could be more valuable than Kimbrel by 2017, and Asuaje should be a positive asset by then, too. For Boston, even if you think it's fair value because you believe the ninth inning is some super-woo time that only the few and the proud can handle, the Red Sox just traded two of their most valuable minor league assets for a 60-inning reliever … which means they can't trade them for something else they need, like a high-end starter. It's not a great start for the new regime's first offseason."