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It doesn't really matter if he's worth more to another team or not. That team might not want to give up the piece that's more valuable to us. That's the rub.

Which is all well and good if that was the point being made. I have clarified three times now.

Yes, thanks for making the point I've made twice already. The point is that, this has to stay stable and there is no guarantee. The Dodgers are getting $8billon from an entertainment conglomerate.

They gave a pitcher who hadn't yet shown he could pitch a season as a starter without limitations $30m (give or take) for 6 years. It is a stretch, no. Is it a long/big contract? Yes. Same for Anthony. I didn't say they were stretching themselves, I said they've given out long contracts. I see you missed out Devers $300m. And obviously they committed $40m a year x 3 to Bregman. They gave Story $120m, Extended Sale, gave big contracts to Hanley and Pablo. Almost all the big contracts they've handed out haven't worked out, but still they get hammered for not signing aging players to long deals. And when they don't work out the same fans complaining they aren't spending are there to complain for making stupid investments. And so the circle-jerk continues.

I know, That was the whole point of my post.

If this is what you're basing your replies to me off you've misunderstood my point. Above is a given. Though it doesn't mean that this equals the same outcome of course.

It is not irrelevant. Not even in the slightest and is not the way a business is run, If you're locked into 8 BILLION for 25 years, it affords you the freedom of knowing you have a baseline revenue level and can predict and plan and spend off that guarantee. The Red Sox revenues vary, just two years earlier they took around 15-18% less than this year - 2024: $574M (Forbes estimates vary slightly) 2023: $513M 2022: $479M 2021: $479M 2020: $152M (Pandemic impact) A big chunk of the Red Sox revenue is also from themselves seeing as FSG own NESN. A risk the Dodgers do not have. No one is forced to take into account any context, but it certainly doesn't help anyone to ignore it. People have an idea of our businesses are run. They're almost always wrong and not availed (or want to be) with the facts in my experience.

LAD are almost up to a billion in revenue according to Forbes (official numbers for '25 still to come). They're getting £320m a year in revenue form the TV deal alone. And that is locked in for 25 years. Mark Walter is also worth double Henry and a lot more cash rich. These are the reasons that their payroll can be as high as they want it to be and not worry. They're locked into safety. The Red Sox's TV deal is with themselves. I just wish people would take some context into their thinking and actually go a bit deeper than just Red Sox owners = cheap. My point about International scouting/development is not that we match LAD's, I don't know how much they put in, but that I wish we had their revenue streams to put into that area, and payroll issues would be less of a problem in general. The lifeblood of every single organisation is its scouting and development.

In a discussion last week someone said (I think it was MVP) that we had been psychologically scarred by ownership. I though it was true then, and I think it even more true when I read things like this. (not having a go at you here Moon - this is a regular take from lots of people) Lester was the start, Mookie was the pinnacle. Now everything is seen through that lens - the owners are cheap, they won't want long contracts. But they've done long contracts. We just give our starting pitcher and first year outfielder big ones. We gave an aging 3rd baseman one. We gave our 3rd baseman one. A huge one that will likely not age well at all. Story, Sale, and others that were disasters for us. But this idea that they dumped Devers is far fetched for me. If he agreed to move to 1st, he'd still be here now. Instead he acted like a f***ing child and threw his teammates under the bus (after we suffered a devastating injury), before immediately declaring he'd play wherever his new team wanted him to play. Whatever about the way we approached it - he was in control of his own actions and he acted like a piece of s***. It wasn't about dumping the contract because it was $300 (this is just the scarring talking - they wouldn't have given him the damn thing if they wanted to dump it within a year), it's because the highest paid player in Red Sox history was saying a big FU to management and ownership. And when that happens, you cut the cancer out not let it grow and fester. That people want to immediately tie it to cheapness is the surest sign confirmation bias I've seen on here.

As do mostly every player in the league in arbs. Stop looking for reasons to be annoyed.

Yes, how do these teams with turnovers that dwarf the rest of the league do it? It's a mystery isn't it? 🤔 The Dodgers signed a TV deal that gives them more/around the same in revenue as half the teams in the league! It would certainly be nice to have the Dodgers wealth to put into development and international scouting.

Feels like it's coming. It'll be fine for two but then it'll be another contract weighing down the roster.

It really does matter.

Correct. This idea that we can just send these guys away and only eat half if we want to is for the birds. I am more than happy our 4 outfielders cycling around the position and DH.

Jesus! That is quite the list of injuries in one play!

Virtually every team checks in with every free agent and multiple trade candidates. That you're getting worked up by this or annoyed by the asinine 'interest kings' tag is on you.

Marino Pepén was the one to make that report. And I can't stress how full of s*** this man is.

They'd need to defer a lot.

Seeing as we didn't put an offer in for him, clearly not.

At least you've stopped stating your opinion is a fact. Growth.

This crying about us not signing a FA yet is so ridiculous. There's been three deals over 3 years so far. In the whole of the MLB. The only one we've really missed out on is Alonso and our offer showed we weren't particularly sold on him.

Not to mention both Boras and Soto said after the event, that the Red Sox went big on him and offered big. They literally have no reason to lie about this. Yet people will still happily ignore this so they can sound off.

I would be very surprised if we are looking to go within a few million of the 3rd tax level by giving him $40m a year.

Forever bewildering how few people know the meaning of the word 'fact'.

Yay, just about. The rotation is quite a bit better. The line up is better. Bullpen is worse.