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I don't understand this asinine statement. Isn't this a bald-faced admission that they were not negotiating in good faith?
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Ha ha. Do you know where she said that? (True not matter how you take it!)
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Maybe you should read Sontag so that you can respond in a relevant manner to what I was saying. (There's also likely a Wiki entry that will help you see what my point was.)
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Exactly. As for the metaphors of "battle" "war on ..." "winning" "defeating" ... I'm pretty much with Susan Sontag on this.
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Yup. My other two favorites on that team (and I mean this in all seriousness), were Buckner and Schiraldi, both of whom were a bad bounce away from being heroes. Buckner eventually got some redemption--fans must have realized that his crucial hit against the Angels got them into the WS. But Schiraldi, I think, never did, even though without him, there would have been no post-season at all for the RS.
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Dave Henderson, 1986, whose hr's in the ACLS and WS led to the most catastrophic event in RS history. Without those, we might still be talking about Jim Lonborg.
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Kman-- I think you may need to work on your 'irony-detection' skills.
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1978 playoff. 9th inning. Yastrzemski took Gossage deep! I remember that as clearly as I recall the day I was born.
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The title of this thread is "Red Sox Win Total." I don't see any 'rule' saying there should be no politics.
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You're on! (We're talking about a COMPLETED game, right?)
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You choose the number. I'll take the unders.
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Well, let's say (as is likely) the season is shut down in September, just before the playoffs, due to the virus or a player strike. Then he and I will be arguing over precisely what we agreed to in the "June Agreement."
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Done. (Someone will have to walk me through that, though.)
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You're on.
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I'd love to get back to the rhythm of listening to baseball (wait ... is my radio still working? Maybe I should replace the tubes.). But here's $100 saying the season will never get done. (Well, I don't have $100, because ... I forget why ... but still. ...)
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Didn't MLB just respond by implementing the 60-game season? Again, the owners' stupidity is beyond me. They COULD have offered 64 games, and for that, the union would have given up its right to file a grievance, PLUS they would have started off the 2021 CBA fight on a good note. INSTEAD, they now have declared war (how does that help?), and risk having to fight a grievance, which it seems the Union is in a pretty good position to win (although even having to go through that legal battle is a loss--probably for both sides). WHY DO THIS? Because they didn't want 3 or 4 more games on the schedule?
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https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/06/22/mlb-players-staff-test-positive-coronavirus-sense-urgency-negotiations Now what? (Given the number of people involved, that's probably not unexpected; certainly no worse than what was found at CLemson or U Houston. But at some point, we're going to realize that the strategy 'We're tired of this, let's move on' may not be very effective.)
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You're right about that. The owners' short-sightedness continues to astound me. Who would want to invest in a business (whether an advertiser, a season-ticket holder, or a potential buyer of a franchise) that has one lost season in the past and a year or more of labor strife in the future? What exactly is their thinking in all this? Of course, I could just fall back onto the universal maxim: Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.
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Well you're right, that's true. I'm living in the past! (2018!). So I guess we'll just have to move on to step 2.
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Step 1 to bringing ticket prices down would be to eliminate the "entertainment tax write-off" that enables corporate American to gobble up expensive seats at minimal cost. [step 2 is to sharpen up one's pitchforks and guillotines ... but that may be a different discussion]
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I agree. But sports would argue they are completely fan friendly. The reason for the high tic prices is because people will pay them. Same with movies (although no one complains about movie-stars' salaries). Same with rock concerts. Same, even with classical concerts! You won't have a more 'fan-friendly' league if you cut players' salaries by, say, 90%. You'll have richer owners. Right now, the owners are just in the last stages of what they've been doing all year: (1) getting rid of minor leagues (that fans love!). (2) screwing over minor leaguers (putting them out of work; refusing to pay those they have) in hopes of off-loading minor-leagues onto tax-supported universities (the football model). (3) screwing over the players (asking employees to take salary cuts or furloughs in order to protect owner's bottom line).
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Florida numbers, predictably!, rising far too rapidly for the state to repress with feel-good comments or by firing scientists. Their plan now seems to be to fill up all the hospitals so that they can get to 0 admissions. Not a good sign for those of us who would like to see the NBA, football, or that other summer sport, have a season.
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23 Clemson football players also tested positive. It's going to be very hard to pull off team sports this fall with numbers like that. The NBA probably has the best chance. As for ... what was that sport? The one with billionaire owners and guys with bats? ... I forget.
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So the owners, with an easy compromise at hand (65 games?) refuse to budge. Wow. Nothing quite as cool as a bad-ass billionaire. I'm sure the fans are going to love to fill the internet with support of these guys and decry the players as LOSERS! This year is clearly lost. And likely 2021 as well, since it will only be a prelude to a strike before playoff times. If the owners are trying to show how tough they are, and how they NEVER will negotiate, they've done a good job. Good luck trying to get an agreement for the new CBA, which may well put the value of their franchises at 0 come 2022.
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Not sure why you are turning this into an argument. I never said it's not a business. I said the owners treat this business as if it were a hobby (which of course legally is subject to all the same laws businesses are subject to.). If you want to argue, go ahead and make an argument you can then rail against. It's the internet. Anyone can be a bad-ass tough guy.
