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Ha! What a tool! I played three sports in h.s., hockey in college, tennis, golf and squash as an adult, ran four marathons, and I can guarantee you, I NEVER ran a 6 minute mile or anything close. Thank God my coaches were not wannabe badasses like this guy.
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Yes, I agree. MLB made its first real offer yesterday. Obviously, they should just "do it," but I'm sure the owners' egos are so involved now that they will INSIST that it be THEIR offer that is the final one, not one made by players. (F*ck it: shake on 65 and have each side walk away claiming victory).
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Wall Street Journal had a nice article today about Kansas city agreeing to pay minor leaguers and not treating low-level employees like s***, as opposed to firing staff and screwing the minor leaguers as other franchises have done. When you hold up a relatively poor franchise like KC as a model of civil behavior, which shames the greedy, cost-cutting actions of major franchises, that tells you pretty much all you need to know about MLB 'management'. When I see players f*cking over their trainers, house-keepers, gardeners, and lying about their finances in public, then I will be willing to entertain the thought that 'both sides are at fault'.
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I don't know how many times this point needs to be made: ticket prices have NO relation to player salaries. They are set by bean-counters to maximize the gate. It doesn't matter if payroll is 200 million or 200 thousand. The calculation is the same. If you can sell a seat for $150, there is no way you are going to let it go for $10. The fans' belief that if you cut player salaries down, ticket prices would drop is ridiculous. Sure, we'd all like to walk to Fenway and get a $3 bleacher seat on game day. But guess what: Fenway is FULL! What kind of logic suggests that if prices were dropped, then suddenly there would be thousands of tix available? Lower player salaries all you want--all you are doing is putting more money in the pockets of the owners, who have pretty much revealed their true colors the last couple of months (firing staff, getting rid of minor leagues, screwing over minor leaguers).
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https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/06/16/baseball-owners-players-coronavirus-stoppage
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I like it because it's perfectly designed for TV. You don't have to pay full attention. You can do something else while the game is on. You won't miss anything because everything will be replayed. (And bec. of Replay--the worst thing that has ever happened to sports--there's hardly reason to watch the play as it happens, since you won't know whether it stands or not). That said, you're right. I used to love boxing--it's almost impossible for me to watch anymore. And football may well head down that road. It's no longer as easy to revel in the big hits, since we can no longer ignore the catastrophic effects they may have.
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Of course they did. And of course everyone else did (in some fashion--likely not as blatant as trash-can banging). Even those of us who played in the days when 1 = fastball, 2=curve (on the off-chance the pitcher even had one!), love to play the game of de-coding signs during the game. So none of the geeks employed by the team did this? None of the players studying film ever do this? Another example of Manfred's incompetence: this should have been solved three years ago. Instead the league responded with a chest-thumping warning "Now REALLY! DON'T! I MEAN it this time!" and ineffective rule-changes (limit of catcher's visits).
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It's not easy to make Roger Goodell look like a statesman, and Gary Bettman look like a mastermind (although he's had a good record recently, including innovations to the game, such as the 3-man overtime, which ROCKS!--cf. the pathetic efforts at rule-changes of baseball and football.). But making others look like geniuses is something that Manfred has down. I don't see how any semblance of a season can be saved. But that will be barely a blip on the screen once next year rolls around, and owners goad the players into open rebellion.
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But then, gosh, people disagree sometimes, and ... and even say mean and hurtful things to me ...
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I am still astounded at the stupidity of the owners, playing the blame game. Let's just suppose the blame is shared equally (I don't believe that, but nevermind!). Why don't the owners see that this does not work to their benefit? If fans hate the owners and support the players, then when baseball starts, they'll watch it, supporting the players. But if the owners succeed in making the fans blame and hate the players, guess what: they WON'T go to the games. How do the owners figure that's a win? (Unless, as I suspect, their egos mean more to them than the success of this particular business.)
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It's beginning to look like Manfred and a group of owners really do not want a season. I'm not sure how they do not realize that a baseball-free year, leading to an acrimonious spring, likely ending in a strike, will not dramatically decrease the value of their franchises. Given the idiocy of the owners, this is something I would almost welcome. A new professional league run by people who are not committed to ruining the sport (e.g., by getting rid of minor leagues) might actually work, given that players may well not get any of the money in those so-called guaranteed contracts with MLB: the present owners have not given ANY indication they are serious about a season. They HAVE given an indication that they would love to get the income generated by a post-season. (But after all this, who would want to watch?)
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Exactly. Except your omission of: MLB: What is WRONG with you? I can't believe you're so obstinate.
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Because of the respect I have gained for you during the last few months, I will only say now that I am truly envious of your innocent naivete, whether real or feigned!
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Even more amusing will be NY's efforts to keep it sealed. Why bother? I think most fans are not shocked--of COURSE teams tried to steal signs. They always have. And of course they all KNOW other teams are doing it (wasn't this the period when the Yankee catcher-- was it Russell?-- essentially was going to the mound every other pitch to change sign sequence? Just before MLB stupidly put in the rule preventing it and thus opening the floodgates on ... SHOCK SHOCK SCANDAL ... cheating?
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But if this season goes (and I think it will--- i.e., Manfred will impose his 50 game season and players, either en masse or individually, will refuse to play), it's almost CERTAIN that that will bleed into next season. The owners will then doubtless act as they usually do (like dumbasses) and will also almost certainly run afoul of laws against collusion (as they did years ago). I can't see how there will be a 2021 season free of acrimony, which almost certainly will end in a strike.
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Sure. Hyperbole. We do that here. What I mean is they are treating this as a PR contest, not as negotiations (why should they publicize any of their offers? several of which have amounted, as one poster has noted here, to no more than throwing s*** on the wall to see what sticks). And most fans (we included) go along, asking: "Who is to blame?" But that's ridiculous! The players are their asset (Apple does not start an ad campaign by trashing iPhones!). NBA and Adam Silver of course understand this; even Gary Bettman understands this.
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Exactly. And the value of their franchises continue to rise (something they do not count when calculating their profits). But their strategy of demonizing the players may well backfire if the fans agree with them. The owners may learn that fans go to games to see the players, not to pay tribute to some filthy capitalist pig of an owner. (Oh dear, that was harsh. What if an owner finds this hurtful?). Or maybe the owners have already considered this. If baseball dies, they can always turn their state-subsidized assets (stadiums parking lots) into a real estate bonanza?
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Yup. It's sports, not life. If "EVERYONE" is doing it (that's what you said, not that "SOME" people are doing it), then it's not cheating.
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In sports, yes it does.
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29298330/alex-cora-astros-sign-stealing-two-man-show This is one of many reasons why I admire Cora and can't wait to get him back.
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I don't understand. How? If Mike Trout decides he won't play, so what? If I were a younger player making 500K, I wouldn't base my decision on what someone making 10-50x what I make does. I think the numbers of players who opt out may be significant, but it won't stop games from being played. (On the other hand, it may well be that someone making 20million/year has developed such an extravagant life-style, the thought of losing even a nickel is too horrifying to contemplate.)
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Yes. SOME players. But I'm guessing many will not. Perhaps it's because I chose to retire. It's very easy for me now to relate to someone who says "I have enough money to live comfortably. I don't need to kiss your ass to make more. Give me a rational reason to return to work, and I'll listen."
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I agree. And many of the best players have more money now than they could ever possibly spend. Why would they play an abbreviated season, taking on all the associated aggravation and risks? If many of them 'opt out', it would have the same effect as a strike (without having to make the younger players pay the price).
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Particularly worrisome to me was Manfred's seemingly positive promise yesterday "100% certain we will have baseball." I expected him to say something along the lines of 'owners and players want the same thing and are getting close.' Instead, the basis of his confidence (he himself said) was the clause in the March agreement giving him the power just to impose a 48 game schedule without the players' approval. (Gee, suddenly the March agreement becomes sacrosanct!).
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Maybe those I've heard on various talk radio shows in the last couple of days, claiming that this didn't happen, should read the Red Sox organization's own statement that says it did. https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/06/10/boston-red-sox-confirm-torii-hunter-racist-slurs-fenway-park
