sk7326
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Everything posted by sk7326
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For me - it has just been very hard for me to justify any of management's points when other sports have shown much more financial transparency and realized that making players stakeholders uncomplicates things for everybody. Now - salary caps did not come without some serious labor pain ... the players know it's role is to reduce salaries ... but the players in the NBA and NFL are far better off en masse than baseball players are.
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Fun mental exercise ... baseball made $10.7B in revenue in 2019. If we take the Atlanta Braves financials (which are public) at face value, 2021 reflectes a 10% increase from 2019. So let's use a revenue basis of $12.0B (the actual increase is 11.1%. I'll simplify the numbers for math). Baseball's combined payroll in 2021 was 4.07B. So we're dealing with 33-35% of revenues going to the players. Now, not all revenue in the NBA or NFL are subject to division - but let's assume that most of the revenue is revenue that should be shared with the players. Just for fun, let's call it $10B. in the NBA, the players are guaranteed something between 48% and 52% of the pie, with the salary cap being set at 50.3% i think. So if we use 50% as the baseline "share", that means the leaguewide salary pool is $5B. Divided among 30 teams, that would be a salary cap of $167M per team with a salary floor of $160M. There are numerous ways for teams to spend above the salary cap - but you can figure that out.
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If the owners cared about the PR war here, I'd say this is pretty bad for their case.
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It has been striking that Passan and Rosenthal, hardly labor firebrands, point out the fault pretty unambiguously.
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in real $$ terms, the owners want to decrease it ... both the flat upper limit and the higher punishment rates. The players aren't even asking for enough IMO - every other sport has these limits tied to revenue. Baseball players are well within reason to ask for the same.
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One of the funny things about this lockout is that the CBT sunsetted - and there is no doubt that the Mets were ready to go bananas. The league locked out in large part to stop the Dodgers and Mets (and quite possibly the Red Sox) from swooping in.
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Why not - it's how the NFL and NBA work.
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The union made a lot of movement to the owners and the owners did not look at the offer. We're basically in a state of play where the owners are insisting the equivalent of - as Craig Calcaterra put it - getting Mike Trout in exchange for a Triple-A middle reliever. The owners are basically proposing a de facto hard cap not tied to revenue which rises slower than inflation. That should be a non-starter. I was optimistic before - but just like 2020, the owners (and it's clearly small market teams driivng the train here) would prefer not to have baseball at all if it means bringing the union to its knees.
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Is it? The watering down is really about teams not attempting to win ... the underlying model is the problem there. The two big problems with baseball globally are: 1. Not enough balls put into play 2. Folks who run the game apparently not liking baseball
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A lot of baseball players out there and other cities that likely want teams. Easiest way to inject money into the pie. Also from a pure "running the season" perspective, 32 teams creates some better playoff options.
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They have been steamrolled the last couple of go-rounds and they seem more aware of that this time. I do think they naively did not expect baseball at large to treat it as an actual hard cap.
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You are not wrong - I see it as a both/and deal, that's all.
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I think the upper limit should go up at a much higher rate than "less than the cost of living" ... I think the players would (and should) see a one time increase in the cap as effectively buying time before the owners' collective miserly ways come back.
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When Justice Sotomayor saved baseball in her previous life, it happened on March 29 ... and the league was able to execute a 144 game season with a normal playoff. Judging by that, we still have another 2ish weeks or so where we can get a 162 game season. The almost certain added tier of playoffs likely will make getting 162 in a lot harder if there is much more dawdling that that.
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Expanded playoffs is happening - players want 12, owners want 14 - I prefer 12. The tiers are all wrong and should be indexed to some fixed percentage of agreed upon "value". It could be all revenue with some allowance for stadium-related debt or whatever. The minimum salary should be pegged the same way. As mvp noted, a justifiable upper limit based on actual revenue growth is much closer to $320M than $240. Players should get 1 months salary guaranteed if they spend a day in the majors. (with an 850,000 minimum, that is about 140K) Players receive the smallest share of the pie relative to the other American sports and while this goes some ways to remedy that, it's still going to be last. And yes, it's not on the table right now but the union should be pushing to add 2 teams.
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I think it might not even be that - like having a threshold might be fine ... but you have to peg it to some agreed-upon definition of net revenue. If you don't do that - then you are decoupling player salaries from the growth of the game. That's the thing with the salary cap sports ... for better or for worse, it guarantees the players a slice of a mutually agreed upon pie. The players have neither of those things at the moment.
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Right - the other leagues have forms of restricted free agency ... which I think is much preferable to arbitration, even if the incumbent team has a right to match.
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I think they want to recoup some of the losses. But there is a LOT of water carrying for the owners here - in particular, where he opines that the MLB players have the best CBA in pro sports when their CBA is also the only one where the players do not get a guaranteed share of the pie.
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They should pretty clearly peg the threshhold to some sort of revenue percentage ... but that would demand the players can verify what is coming in.
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I'm a subscriber so go ahead
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This was interesting ... Freedman is a labor lawyer, and has been writing about the situation.
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One thing worth noting is that the majority of the writers are going to be mouthpieces for ownership here. Bowden, John Heyman the worst. Remember, the owners are the ones who pulled the plug on things.
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I do feel you there - it is worth noting that it's the owners who precipitated this ... I generally sympathize with the players on multiple levels - particularly that they are the ones who like baseball. (more than even I do)
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I dunno - TV money is going up ... fans still show up, though a bit more regionally