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The issue here I think really is what about Swihart? If he proves to be a capable ml level catcher who can hit, sending him back down to AAA just doesn't make any sense. Options or not, if he healthy and can do the job, that would suck big time. Hannigan really fits the role of backup catcher pretty well. If he hits, will the Sox get Swihart to a different position? Will they trade one of the two young guys? Not a problem yet and may never become one. If it does, it might be one of those good problems to have.
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I think that every one of the concerns you bring up are legit and we all see them as well. Sandoval really is the guy who forced the issue here. When he turned up in camp in the condition he showed up in, Sox lost some leverage. Pablo wasn't signed under the assumption that he would play for one year and then be on the outside looking in. I would imagine that the Red Sox really felt that the most uncertain situation was with Hanley's transition to first. That one seems to be working out. It 's a good thing for us that we have a guy like Shaw who at least gets a chance to show what he can actually do. Once again, i don't get the feeling that this is about the personalities of the players. It is about who can and who cannot get the job done. And to re-emphasize, the concerns are obvious - I just want to see this as an opportunity. it may work out for the best.
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roster crunch aside - I'm more concerned with having the right guy behind the plate for this current pitching staff. It is very likely I guess that Vazquez gets some time at the AAA level to recover fully. But, if he progresses toward a full recovery and it looks like he is needed in Boston, he will be back with no thought toward contract size or options or anything other than who is the best guy for the job.
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think we would have to add prospects and to eat a bunch of cash to get something worth very much for Castillo.
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Short answer is no!
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Most likely? No one really knows what Shaw will become. In this case he gets his chance. The better player will get the job. I loved reading Ortiz's comments about Dumbrowski this morning. Refreshing and revealing. His approach really is pretty uncomplicated and the approach to this game does not have to be complicated. Play your better players and play to win. Don't waste opportunities worrying and playing silly games with respect to contract size or options available. Would a more physically fit 29 year old Sandoval be our starting third baseman this year? Maybe. Can a particularly out of shape Pablo go to the bench and come back? Maybe - maybe. It would be a shame I guess but I think that the Red Sox are prepared to move ahead and he might be left behind. It should serve as a little motivator as to how this team plans to approach things going forward. The size of that contract really doesn't and shouldn't guarantee your playing time.
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Wowzers - Are you saying he might not be able see his rigging? He should be worried.
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I got to go here. i don't consider that a dive or even a ball that required a dive from someone who is athletic. it was a flop. He can swing the bat but so far he really can't field the position. We are fortunate that it looks as though we have a general manager who gets it.
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You are entitled your concerns about Shaw. Suggesting that he isn't very athletic is a stretch in my book. He might now be what you see as our future third baseman but I really hope that you aren't suggesting that you think Sandoval is more athletic than he is.
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so anyway - couple of things - Owens and Johnson both go back to AAA to start anyway. Wright or Elias probably in that initial rotation. Sandoval is out for a few days. Got hurt diving for ball earlier this week. If you haven't seen it, go back and take a look. Maybe I'm confused and that was a great play for anyone and not just someone who really isn't in very good shape. This picture is becoming clearer and clearer and it doesn't even have to involve Shaw. Sandoval needs to be fitter in order to play third base! It is a good thing that we have Shaw.
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Looks right but does't sound all that good- lol Losing your arguably 2nd best man in the rotation for any length of time isn't good but with what the Sox have to yard out to the mound after Price right now doesn't make me feel good about my 86 win projection. I would add that our possible young number 2 guy most people think has close to top of the rotation potential.
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even though I think that even post surgery, he has one of the best arms in the game what I was referring to was the way Vazquez handled his actual catching duties. Price, Kelly, and Porcello have been quoted on a few occasions now talking about how skilled he is. It is hard to underestimate the value to any pitching staff that a top of the lime catcher has. It is another position where there is and will continue to be some real competition. Based on what we have seen so far this spring, Red Sox starting rotation once again will need all the help it can get Price - you get what you pay for here Buck - looked good last time out - anyone want to truly bet on this guy? Porcello -shaky 3- decent 4 - solid 5 in a good rotation Kelly - potential for sure but what do you think? E-Rod - Injured Wright ? Owens? really (i'd still go with Elias) Shaky at best. Hopefully E-Rod is back in action soon. Just not a rotation that fosters a lot of confidence - sorry
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did you catch who he pitched to and what Porcello said after? who winds up being the catcher going forward is going to be interesting.
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The play he made toward the line yesterday sounded better than it looked. He made the play and it was a good one but it is quite possible that a third baseman with more mobility might have made that play standing. I think that he is working hard but bulk is going to limit his mobility for sure. He still has value but he has put himself in tough spot.
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You know what. Next year at this time the dh might very well be the right place for Sandoval. We shall see.
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I don't think that the people who count are disillusioned over this at all. I think everybody sees the potential risks as well as potential upsides. I also don't think in situations like this you operate from fear of what might be either. Maybe there is a slightly different way of looking at things here. Playing your best players just doesn't seem to be a thought that is too outlandish.
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Carson Smith out with forearm injury
cp176 replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Sorry to hear about your health issues. At this point their plan appears to be that Koji makes up part of a team of pitchers who will lead to the closer Kimbrel. In general, which ever one closes isn't really a big deal. The big deal was that the Sox were able to add one of the top arms in the game to help bolster a bullpen that needed to be rebuilt. Hope they all stay healthy. -
You might be right about Sandoval being a little more motivated. I would say that if this is what it takes, good for the Sox. If this is a change in approach from Farrell, I would say that it is about time as well. I like him but he has been overly committed to large contracted players, slow to react to situations that have called for some sort of action, and in some instances a little complacent. Although it is a great story, this really isn't a Shaw lovefest or an "I hate fatso" thread. It is about playing your best players. Whether it eventually is Sandoval at third, I still think that Shaw will get an ample chance to show whether or not he is going to be an everyday player. I don't think that Dumbrowski is playing any mind games here. It looks very simple - play the players that give you the best chance to win.
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Shaw - Sandoval - Ramirez - Ortiz = Potentially outfield, third base, first base, and dh support and help. Plenty of potential at bats and rest for these guys. This good situation might impact others like Murphy and Castillo.
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I think that it could all work out for the better but I'm feeling bad for David Murphy's prospects.
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How about a side dish of boiled owl with that crow you tough old .... Whe n you going to start the "let's go Pablo thread?"
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Carson Smith out with forearm injury
cp176 replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Really you say - Kimbrel to be Koji's set up man - -
he very well might be a solid player for us for a long time. The issue for me is that if he continues to outplay Sandoval then he should be the one who gets the job. It doesn't have anything to do with contracts or options or what some one thinks he might or might not be in the future. It's about right now. If we want to have the best team that we can have, we should put our best players on the field.
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All of the fat jokes aside, this debate really is about who is the better player. if Pablo earns the job, I think that it is a safe bet to see that he will get plenty of support from us desperate ones. The better of the two players should get the playing time.
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You bring up some very relevant points here for sure. They shouldn't and probably won't have any bering with respect to what the Red Sox decide to do with Shaw. Shaw's story has been a great one but I don't sense anyone being ready to hit him with the next MVP label. You kind of make it sound like those of us who do appreciate his efforts and feel that he should be rewarded for what he has done are not aware of what his shortcomings might be. I don't think that is true at all. It is ok to breathe deeply and to take a step back but in no way should what anyone thinks Shaw might be capable or not capable of doing in the future should impact what he is doing in the present. The best player should get the job. That is how it is supposed to work.