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I liked what he did there as well but can you imagine the reaction it would have caused if it hadn't worked out. It was the right move whether it worked or not.

You're killing me here. I was even going to say that I would be ok if the Sox voided the Espinoza for Pomeranz deal!

Once again, don't change what ain't broke. 24 games in and this starting pitching has been just incredible. How much of a role our catchers have had in it is debatable but one thing for sure is that they both can catch. No need to change a thing but wouldn't you think that something has to happen with Swihart at some point?

UN is a bright individual and it was a good post - one worth reading. it is also a post that if you change some of the wording, could be used to defend the points of view of the people who tend to have opinions that lean in the opposite direction. i don't necessarily buy into everything he said here but I still think that it is a good post. How about you Hitch - Do you feel the same way about some of the posts you read here that don't support you and your points of view? I hope that you do.

Have to say that I don't give a flying f*** about what anyone wants to believe in when it comes to baseball. I'm a fan who does feel that I have some education with respect to the game. I'm not interested in trying to discredit anyone or their particular opinion about the game although I will say that I enjoy reading and actually learning from the people who I believe have not only an extensive knowledge about the use of statistics as well as having some practical experience with the game itself. The beauty of it is i guess that I get to choose who these people are based upon what I read here. I have for me some pretty firm opinions and beliefs but I would never try to shove them down anyone's throat. What I see here are a few people who are so goddam sure that they are right about everything that they absolutely refuse to see more than just their own side of any arguement. I offer quite a few opinions here that I do not support with what some call quantifiable evidence because I don't think that they can be. This normally causes someone to claim that either my eyes and knowledge of the game is just f***ed up. That is when I react as do a few others here who share similar views. I don't have any need to be right at all but I do feel somewhat of a need to react when someone tries to paint me as an uneducated old dope with respect to my understanding of athletics in general. They might even be right but I don't need to constantly be reminded of it. Seems like we should be able to get along if we have the large goal - to support the team we love.

wait what - i caught that - Beni is a much better baserunner than Swihart ( or just about anybody else for that matter)? Sorry Max but what I see and have seen is an absolute numb nuts on the base paths.

Would those be eyes of the biased type or whatever the others might be?

We know that Butterfield did a lot of other things that really helped these young guys too.

sugar tits to you young man

third base coaches in general seem to take a beating - I was and am still a big butterfield fan but oh baby did he get whooped on here. It is not a job that I would ever have wanted.

Exactly! For those people I have a deep amount of respect. Kind of like when you run a business or an athletic program, good leaders admit freely that they are not always right and certainly don't know everything that could be known. You try to find people that are loyal and can do things better than you can do in some instances.

I agree with you of course. I didn't assume that you were talking about any kind of defensive trade off. These two guys we have are both good catchers unfortunately right now they are barely hitting at all.

Sorry but you don't know me. My eyes are actually not biased at all. We have had this discussion before. We have two different opinions for sure. You are convinced that you are right and I am happy for you. Sorry - this was meant for Kimmi in reference to me seeing things in a biased way.

I think that you are right.

I have 0 problem with looking at things this way. i think that it is pretty obvious that my big gripe is an overuse of all things analytical. I value their use for sure but if you do not buy into what they "seem" to say entirely it does not mean that your perspectives still can't be pretty good. I will still love the game with or without them.

i'm beginning to think that it's a Springsteen gig. "Trust none of what you hear and less of what you see"

Why did we ever sign that stiff anyway? If it wasn't for his absolute insistence that he play in that outfield, I bet that Cora might not play him at all. Maybe you have missed the times that I said that I think that he looks a little shaky out there. You think I need to get a different tv? Can I trust my computer screen more? Whoops - forgot to add that this looks a little sarcastic but it certainly isn't the nasty s*** we often see here.

If it's ok, I still think that I can trust what my eyes see with respect to whether or not a player is dead slow, gets a late break on a ball, or takes a wrong angle.

I think that everything that you mentioned here is very apparent using the eye test. If a player has limited range or is late breaking to balls, I feel certain that by watching them everyday I could see this as could most.

Ok I'll admit it, so do I. Who doesn't would be the question I guess. There are other statistics that tell a more complete story but numbers like ERA and wins and losses still serve a purpose for lots of diehard fans that I know. I still like those guys with 15 to 20+ wins - oh well.

Man Moon that compilation of statistics is just overwhelming. Guess he must just be that bad out there. I'm not doubting what they tell but I'm still going to judge how good or bad he is defensively based on what I see him do. I'm probably the only person on this forum who finds the massive amount of statistical data available to be overwhelming. Paralysis by analysis has always been a problem for me. Personally, I need to keep things simple and just enjoy the game. Don't get me wrong, I like statistics but I would much rather judge our guys by what I see as opposed to what the past might say about them. I am just delighted that we have this guy and however Cora decides to use him is ok by me.

What I see is an elite defensive outfield when Benintendi, JBJ, and Betts are out there. I'm willing to bet that there are a lot of outfielders who would look a little awkward playing beside any of those guys. That is what I see. Based on the metrics that I have seen (yes I looked at them), I would expect that JD would look a lot worse out there than he has so far.

Don't know s*** from shinola about hockey but I am watching tonight.

Not sure what this means.