Bellhorn04
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Which means zero, frankly, moon. Most of us know jackshit about all the vagaries of roster rules. I didn't even know he needed to be protected. It's Bloom's job to know all this stuff. And if it came as a big surprise to him that Song could pitch this year, that just means he got caught napping.
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And if we did hold onto Song, and then found out he could pitch this year, I don't think the reaction would have been "Ah, who cares, the guy missed three years, he's toast." I think there would have been some excitement about it.
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When the Sox took Whitlock, I'm pretty sure there weren't too many who thought he was going to pitch 73.1 innings with a 1.96 ERA and 2.9 bWAR... When it comes to projecting young players, much of the time nobody knows s***.
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He got rusty, that's for sure. But we see guys come back from TJ surgery who haven't faced hitters for almost 2 whole seasons and do well. There are plenty of examples of guys doing well after long layoffs. Song's case is different because he's never faced MLB hitters to begin with, I realize that. He's an unknown quantity. But I would have preferred that we be the ones to find out what he's got.
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But did they downgrade him only because of inactivity? Anyway, we'll see if you're right.
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You're right, I don't understand a lot of this Rule 5 stuff at all. All I really know is that the Sox made it paid off handsomely with Whitlock, and I'm afeared the Nats and Phillies will do the same with Ward and Song. Yep, that about sums up my knowledge right there.
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Sure seems like the Red Sox are doing what they can to make the Rule 5 draft a more interesting thing, with Whitlock, Ward and Song... Get back to me on Monday on that.
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Now there's a silly take.
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How would he heavily overpay to keep him?
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But if there was anyone who would take him, it would be Dombrowski...
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From the moment Song was selected it was known that he might not be available for several years. I don't remember that being deemed as disastrous to him.
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Bloom seems like a super guy. I hope the team does well enough to keep him around.
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I mean, it's brutally obvious that the Sox are not all in on 2023. That just magnifies the strangeness of placing so much importance on retaining Ort, Brasier, Hamilton...
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It is comforting to know, though, that as much as I think Song might be a blunder, Ward is a lot worse.
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It wouldn't be "banking on" him. To me that's hyperbole. He's a PROSPECT.
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Honest question to everyone: if you could walk it back, would you prefer to have Song or Ort at the end of the 40 man?
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Low-leverage appearances. They can DL him for half the season. They can return him. Not seeing that much risk.
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On the other hand, he's 25 years old, presumably healthy as a horse, and was once thought to have first round potential if it wasn't for his military commitments. Now it's the Phillies who are going to find out what he's got instead of us. As Dombrowski said, they had virtually nothing to lose. All so we could keep Kaleb Freakin' Ort.
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Song is an unproven prospect. He's a suspect in Old Red vernacular. But the argument about his hiatus being ruinous doesn't make a lot of sense when you really examine it. Nor does the argument that he's going to hurt the Phillies' chances this year. Unfortunately we're now in the position of hoping the kid fails.
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As far as Brasier and Ort are concerned, even if they're halfway useful, they're fungible. And the Red Sox have room under the tax cap if they need to acquire another reliever. It's impossible to make a case for either of them as valuable assets.
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In any case, as at least one other poster has pointed out, it does seem a little curious that a team that's supposedly building toward the future would leave unprotected two young pitchers like Song and Ward in favor of who they kept.
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Philly can restrict Song to low leverage situations. They can phantom DL him. They can return him, right? And in any case they're a pretty safe bet to make the playoffs. Edit re phantom DL: he has to be on the active roster for 90 days. But that's only half the season.
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Chris Sale hasn't seen many the last few years either.
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DD paid someone off for sure.
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That's what mvp calls scouting the box scores. And a mighty small sample of them to boot...
