Bellhorn04
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I think what the Dodgers clearly offered to Ohtani and Moto was the best PACKAGE. As long as the money was close to what others were offering, that's where they were going.
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And the theory hasn't changed. In the final analysis, Cohen did establish the price. He didn't know that was what he was doing, but that's how these things work. The Yankees reported offer of 10/300 had a higher AAV, BTW, and it appears they didn't get a chance to increase either. It looks like it could have been a heck of a slugfest if that's what Moto wanted.
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Flat out wrong. He didn't drive up the price. Cohen offered $325, so he already had that. The Dodgers simply matched it. No different than Eflin last year - the Rays matched our offer and he signed with them, because he preferred to play there.
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All I know is the $700 million.
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This "finalist" stuff is nothing but a media creation. In what sense were the Mets a finalist? They made an offer, they weren't given a chance to increase it. Why are we even calling them a finalist? They made one of the highest offers, end of story. As for the Phillies, I don't really know how much they offered or how serious they were. Please share if you have that information.
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So explain why he didn't pursue an even higher contract from Cohen when that opportunity clearly existed.
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But the present value of Ohtani's contract is less than the $500 million he was expected to get. And Ohtani is actually only being paid $2 million a year by the Dodgers for the next decade. That's not creative accounting, it's a fact. How do you reconcile those facts with the money being primary?
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Did they even submit a bid? Pretty hard to be a finalist without one.
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The Mets were considered a finalist because of Cohen. But as I say, maybe Moto had no interest in them whatsoever. I think in retrospect the fix was in once the Dodgers signed Ohtani, and set up the deal to give them a pile more cash to play with in the short term.
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As far as regular season success, the Dodgers have been top dog for years now. It's a no-brainer. And landing Ohtani undoubtedly increased their appeal to Yamamoto even further.
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How pray tell have the Phillies been more successful than the Dodgers? You must be referring to their success in the last two postseason crapshoots.
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How can you say you weren't wrong about Cohen when you don't know how high he was prepared to go? Yamamoto didn't want an eBay auction.
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Sure, let's just throw out the fact that he didn't give the Mets the chance to increase their bid and we don't know if Cohen would have offered $50 million more.
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Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations
Bellhorn04 replied to Tedballgame's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Well, the luxury tax rules were obviously a factor in the trim job. Henry was already on record about the necessity of avoiding the third year penalties. -
He sure made it sound like he's a little fed up with all the future-gazing and lack of attention to the present, but who knows.
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What I read is that the Mets were one of the first teams to submit a bid. They offered 12/325. Moto took that to the Dodgers and they matched. Cohen had no chance to jump the bidding, that's the whole point. You don't think 325 was a healthy opening offer?
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Hey, you're the guy who said the Mets were a lock. When I said the Dodgers shouldn't be counted out you weren't buying it.
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Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations
Bellhorn04 replied to Tedballgame's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
You have to say they were still trying, though, with the money for Sale, Bogaerts and Eovaldi. Trying to tread water after winning 108 games doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me. It was that 2019 season that seems to have soured Henry to an extreme degree. -
Maybe the Mets only thought they were a finalist and were actually no such thing. That would explain not being given a chance to outbid.
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But Cora was really pissed in 2023 about the s***** roster. He might be doubly pissed in 2024.
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They went in different directions though. Dice-K broke down, Lackey bounced back.
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I think it's just another sign that we've gotten spoiled, because the fact that Lackey was instrumental in winning a ring gets shrugged off. People don't bitch nearly as much about Keith Foulke not living up to his contract...
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Bench coach to manager/more money/team in good position to win.
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And the Mets would almost certainly have increased their bid. So how can you say for sure that winning wasn't the priority? He knew he was going to get paid a ton regardless.
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True, even our ideas that won't happen are bad.
