Bellhorn04
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And the Orioles have new ownership. The hits just keep coming!
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Some useless fun with numbers: If the Red Sox hadn't traded Price, they would have ultimately paid him 186 million for 6 years, because he opted out of 2020 completely and thus was not paid a nickel for that year. 186/6 would make his contract only 12.7% more than Lester's 165/6.
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I just think you have to compare his contract to others with similar profiles, as contemporaneous as possible, and you've got perfect comps in Scherzer and Greinke. Scherzer outperformed his contract, but that's a whole different matter. That's just the luck of the draw.
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Well that brings into question exactly how you define 'overpay'. Compared to what? What's the point of reference? The average Joe would say all these guys are ridiculously overpaid.
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I don't understand that last sentence. Wasn't it the shortage of starters that pushed Houck into the rotation last year? How would signing a reliever fix that?
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I think the word 'overpay' gets tossed around way too much. It's a classic armchair GM word. They don't usually pay the guy that much out of the goodness of their heart. They do it because that's what it takes to get the player to sign. Did Yamamoto get overpaid? Most people would have to agree that his contract is pure insanity. $325 million plus a $50+ million posting fee, for a guy who has never played in MLB. But most Sox fans probably wish it was us. And of course, if Yamamoto underperforms, we'll all be mocking the Dodgers.
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C'mon moon, we're obviously talking about his market value at the time, which has to be in reference to other signings.
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So show the data that supports Price being a major overpay then.
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But why do you have 11,000 posts in 2.5 years if it's a s***** forum?
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That's not fair either.
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It wasn't even a major overpay, really. Greinke got 6/206.5 right around the same time. Scherzer got 7/210 (with deferrals) the year before.
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But other posters keep engaging instead of putting on ignore.
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The bickering here has gotten crazy.
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Actually if they sign Montgomery or Snell on a reasonable deal I think it will turn most people's opinions around to some degree. It would only reflect badly if the deal was a major overpay, but that seems like the remotest of possibilities.
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Sad but true. The last few years they insist on making themselves look like chumps, even when they do something right.
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Exactly. Would be nothing sweeter than Montgomery beating his original team in a Red Sox uniform...with Whitlock getting the save. -
Get one ready for NBA, because that's coming soon.
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We have no idea what the ask is. I'd go as high as the $125-135 mill range.
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fWAR 2020 0.9 2021 3.2 2022 2.7 All above average. He's on a 4 year run of above average.
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Mainly because Henry isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is when it comes to his baseball team.
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Only for 2 years!
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If we insist on using the crazy numbering thing, he's a solid #2. What's interesting is that the Rangers won the 2023 World Series on the backs of #2's in Eovaldi and Monty, while their supposed #1s, deGrom and Scherzer, were of little use.
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Giolito is just this year's Kluber. Not saying it will turn out as badly...
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Has to be done by IP if we're evaluating the guy's actual ability.
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If the Sox had offered him what they eventually did offer too late, 6/162, I think that would have gotten it done.
